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Old 26th May 2018, 14:25
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Originally Posted by Flyer109
I am an ex CX SO on A330 attending an interview with HKE for NTR FO on A320. Any tips on the interview recently?
why leave cx??
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CX. The graveyard of aviation careers. Thats why.
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Old 28th Jun 2018, 04:03
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Anyone know how is the Right to Left upgrade situation in HKE?
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Old 28th Jun 2018, 09:32
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HKE SUCKS

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Anyone know how is the Right to Left upgrade situation in HKE?
They are failing them so much these days. Its the WORST training i have ever experienced. No training, just checking. They take a sheet of paper, and start writing down all your mistakes so at the end it becomes a total ****e sandwich. The most negative training environment i have ever had the "pleasure" to be in. Im done with this mickey mouse excuse for an airline.
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Old 28th Jun 2018, 14:17
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Originally Posted by Turkpilot
They are failing them so much these days. Its the WORST training i have ever experienced. No training, just checking. They take a sheet of paper, and start writing down all your mistakes so at the end it becomes a total ****e sandwich. The most negative training environment i have ever had the "pleasure" to be in. Im done with this mickey mouse excuse for an airline.
Is it that BAD? How long is the queue to get into the WORST training If I have around 4500++ on the bus. By the way, thanks for the info Turkpilot
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Old 28th Jun 2018, 14:29
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Originally Posted by wagon007
Is it that BAD? How long is the queue to get into the WORST training If I have around 4500++ on the bus. By the way, thanks for the info Turkpilot
They failed a guy on the line check who has 9000 on the bus. He passed 2nd time around. There are some real bad instructors there. The most negative training environment i ever experienced. They have had close to 20 people put in notice to resign within the last month!
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Old 29th Jun 2018, 05:25
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Originally Posted by FOI


Surely not!
Sounds like a potential example of an atrociously unchecked Flight Operations management team; “lead” by some of the industries most laughable and notorious incompetents you will encounter ever, anywhere in your career?

Could only be a mythical scenario; where you have, say, a senior flight ops manager, encumbered not only with a personality disorder (narcissistic tendencies, delusions of competence, personal insecurity etc), who despite holding an “illustrious” TRE certificate, can’t even open an aircraft door (whilst dubiously “assessing” someone on behalf of the regulator...) without deploying a slide narrowly missing ground staff?
This would only be one but example of this mythical individuals long list of dangerously incompetent antics whilst holding a gifted seat of authority; like, using a busy ATC ground frequency to issue instructions to company aircraft, stating his/her managerial title over the airwaves, applying and insisting on pilots using his/hers personal “techniques” that contradict the manufacturer - some of them downright dangerous, a list of reportable incidents as PIC..
You can you imagine the culture if he/she weren’t alone in their scarily delusional self proclaimed positions of respected authority?

If there were a place where the acumen at the top is represented by such an appalling lack of professionalism, one could presume the crew training and mis-guided understanding of “standards” may be derived from their own insecurities; given their worldwide reputations...?

I doubt such a place exists, it’s the modern age.
were u with HKE before? how long were u there? did they kicked u out? cheers to your point of view, really need them
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Old 29th Jun 2018, 07:16
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Originally Posted by FOI


Surely not!
Sounds like a potential example of an atrociously unchecked Flight Operations management team; “lead” by some of the industries most laughable and notorious incompetents you will encounter ever, anywhere in your career?

Could only be a mythical scenario; where you have, say, a senior flight ops manager, encumbered not only with a personality disorder (narcissistic tendencies, delusions of competence, personal insecurity etc), who despite holding an “illustrious” TRE certificate, can’t even open an aircraft door (whilst dubiously “assessing” someone on behalf of the regulator...) without deploying a slide narrowly missing ground staff?
This would only be one but example of this mythical individuals long list of dangerously incompetent antics whilst holding a gifted seat of authority; like, using a busy ATC ground frequency to issue instructions to company aircraft, stating his/her managerial title over the airwaves, applying and insisting on pilots using his/hers personal “techniques” that contradict the manufacturer - some of them downright dangerous, a list of reportable incidents as PIC..
You can you imagine the culture if he/she weren’t alone in their scarily delusional self proclaimed positions of respected authority?

If there were a place where the acumen at the top is represented by such an appalling lack of professionalism, one could presume the crew training and mis-guided understanding of “standards” may be derived from their own insecurities; given their worldwide reputations...?

I doubt such a place exists, it’s the modern age.
Yeap, unfortunately what you said is 100 percent true. I am told he actually crashed a few planes in the outback before and has the most FOQA at the company especially for the way he taxiis. Napoleon syndrome for sure. He is definitely not well liked and now I can see why.
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Old 12th Jul 2018, 12:02
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Originally Posted by icarus32
It looks like the environment in Hong Kong Express is not the best at this moment.

Maybe to avoid leading to a new mass cancelation of flights (again), they are refusing to provide their own pilots with the flight hours certificates required before you resign / join a new company. ( I am even not sure if this kind of policy is allowed ).

Anyway, be careful if you join Hong Kong Express, you might not be able to leave.

In regards to the upgrades: as far as I know, the initial promise was to upgrade around 24 FO's this year, and it looks like this number ATM is about 2 or 3 only, and all of them got extension of training when they check with their lunatic GMF.

I also heard that the upgrade policy is terrible, there is no training, only checking. And it looks like there is some kind of dispute with Airbus' manuals in their operational philosophy. Failing rate is high, about 80%. Some FO's are there for almost 10 years and still haven't had a chance for their upgrade. How is that possible? I don't know.

The rotation rate is very high, I knew a guy who stayed in HKE for less than a year, and another one that resigned during the training, they couldn't keep up with all the BS in there.

Good luck
Well surprised with such situation. Any firm facts on these? or merely rumours?
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Old 24th Jul 2018, 00:58
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Originally Posted by AdB29


Their careers site was down for a while, seems it’s still not up.

Apparently applications can still be sent via email
Careers site has been down for a while now. If you click on the "join us" part it just directs you to jobsdb.
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Old 24th Aug 2018, 18:39
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Hi! First time posting in pprune... very interesting information over here... did anybody applied for NTR lately here? How long they usually take to answer after you sent all the information? Thanks in advance!
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Old 27th Aug 2018, 04:15
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Originally Posted by DesertStorm512
Hi! First time posting in pprune... very interesting information over here... did anybody applied for NTR lately here? How long they usually take to answer after you sent all the information? Thanks in advance!
120 days for me
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Old 27th Aug 2018, 04:50
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120 days seems long. FO's at the moment are doing close to 100 hours a months. They do need new guys fairly quickly, especially type rated !!!
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Old 27th Aug 2018, 17:18
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Originally Posted by wagon007
120 days for me
Thanks for the info, hope it is less! 120 seems too much if they are needing pilots fast... I am not type rated though...
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Old 5th Oct 2018, 02:20
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Latest news from HKE - work environment, salaries etc for FO & Capts with plenty of time on the bus? Any info is appreciated, thank you.
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Old 18th Nov 2018, 18:02
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Hi guys
Does anyone have any info regarding TR captain's income for HKE?
Please PM to me
I will appreciate it greatly
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Old 21st Nov 2018, 04:57
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The Fake Flight Safety Manager

From a reliable source from the company itself. To shed the recent light of whats happening in this company, so people who are applying may have a second thought if this is the company you really want to work for.
About 3 years ago, a pilot from vietjet, Anthony Ortolan applied for HKE for the post of flight safety technical manager. Many pilots on the line doubt he was even qualified to fly airbus. A few weeks ago, he was being investigated for forging fake airbus hours on the left hand seat and as well as Gulfstream. Anthony quitted the job and left hong kong overnight. The company has not inform the Civil aviation department of hong kong, hoping it will wither away. Rest assure it will appear in the hong kong news.
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Old 21st Nov 2018, 09:42
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Sorry to burst your bubble hijack. Also from inside the company, CAD was informed last week immediately upon discovery
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So WHAT was reported to HKCAD the fact a postholder left the company or the fact he lied about his flying capabilities?
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Old 21st Nov 2018, 14:49
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[QUOTE]e[/Originally Posted by hijack
From a reliable source from the company itself. To shed the recent light of whats happening in this company, so people who are applying may have a second thought if this is the company you really want to work for.
About 3 years ago, a pilot from vietjet, Anthony Ortolan applied for HKE for the post of flight safety technical manager. Many pilots on the line doubt he was even qualified to fly airbus. A few weeks ago, he was being investigated for forging fake airbus hours on the left hand seat and as well as Gulfstream. Anthony quitted the job and left hong kong overnight. The company has not inform the Civil aviation department of hong kong, hoping it will wither away. Rest assure it will appear in the hong kong news.QUOTE]

View Anthony Ortolan's profile on LinkedIn, the world's largest professional community. Anthony has 4 jobs listed on their profile. ... Current. HK Express. Previous. Small Planet Airlines,; VietJetAir,; NetJets. Education
He has reappeared back in Vietnam this time as DFO for Bamboo Airlines..

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