PA's , what to say now??
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So Ops.A needs amending, for instance:
"This is a formal warning given by Fred of this aircraft" - doesn't have the same ring about it really.
Or try this one on:
"Fred you are not listening" - makes you really stand up and take notice.
I couldn't give two hoots about a title in everyday life, but in our job we have clearly defined roles and a clearly defined chain of command. There should also be clearly defined titles.
"This is a formal warning given by Fred of this aircraft" - doesn't have the same ring about it really.
Or try this one on:
"Fred you are not listening" - makes you really stand up and take notice.
I couldn't give two hoots about a title in everyday life, but in our job we have clearly defined roles and a clearly defined chain of command. There should also be clearly defined titles.
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Yet another step, petty as it is, in the systematic dismantling of our professional autonomy, and if the truth be known our entire airline.
Though management somehow have seen fit to attempt to diminish the perception of the position by making an issue of it, fortunately the crew and passengers are aware of what a captain (or FO, or ISM) is, and have no issues with it whatsoever.
CX was built by airline visionaries who understood what it meant to be an airline.
Present management who inherited all this have no clue what an airline is...they do though have a penchant for counting beans and thinking highly of themselves.
Though management somehow have seen fit to attempt to diminish the perception of the position by making an issue of it, fortunately the crew and passengers are aware of what a captain (or FO, or ISM) is, and have no issues with it whatsoever.
CX was built by airline visionaries who understood what it meant to be an airline.
Present management who inherited all this have no clue what an airline is...they do though have a penchant for counting beans and thinking highly of themselves.
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I once had occasion to ring our chief pilot at his residence. He answered the phone as "Captain X's residence, Captain X speaking". The stratospheric fatuity of that was sufficient to render me speechless - I had to hang up and call back later when I was better prepared.
Guess his nationality.
Guess his nationality.
Dropp
Sounds like KB to me but not sure how long you have been around.
Reminds me of someone I knew years ago who complained about being called in the middle of the night for medical assistance. He had a PhD in Statistics but insisted on having himself in the phone book as Dr.... 99 change hands was my response.
Take my hat off to Silberfuchs, he always has a clever turn of phrase and a good workaround to any problem...must be on the bus!
Perhaps the best option is to take all rank out of the staff database and see what rostering makes of it.
While they're at it we can get rid of uniforms too. My epaulets stay in my top pocket most of the time anyway as they just get in the way and are a pain to put on.
As we are being treated like sheep perhaps more ovine terminology would suffice.
Captain = 8 tooth
SFO = 6 tooth
FO = 4 tooth
SO = 2 tooth
Departments also could be renamed:
Director People = Fleecing Dept
Staff Travel = Crutching Dept
Flight Ops = Mulesing Dept
But don't let an ageing wether pull the wool over your eyes.
Aye
Sounds like KB to me but not sure how long you have been around.
Reminds me of someone I knew years ago who complained about being called in the middle of the night for medical assistance. He had a PhD in Statistics but insisted on having himself in the phone book as Dr.... 99 change hands was my response.
Take my hat off to Silberfuchs, he always has a clever turn of phrase and a good workaround to any problem...must be on the bus!
Perhaps the best option is to take all rank out of the staff database and see what rostering makes of it.
While they're at it we can get rid of uniforms too. My epaulets stay in my top pocket most of the time anyway as they just get in the way and are a pain to put on.
As we are being treated like sheep perhaps more ovine terminology would suffice.
Captain = 8 tooth
SFO = 6 tooth
FO = 4 tooth
SO = 2 tooth
Departments also could be renamed:
Director People = Fleecing Dept
Staff Travel = Crutching Dept
Flight Ops = Mulesing Dept
But don't let an ageing wether pull the wool over your eyes.
Aye
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including the obligation to accept being lawfully ordered to die.
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Obviously they are not commissioned, I never said they were. It is about respect for the duties and responsibility for the job that they do. That is all and I think it deserves the title of captain when in the work environment.
And I have found you an equally awesome wikipedia reference
First officer (aeronautics) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
In commercial aviation, the first officer is the second pilot (sometimes referred to as the "co-pilot") of an aircraft. The first officer is second-in-command of the aircraft to the captain, who is the legal commander. In the event of incapacitation of the captain, the first officer will assume command of the aircraft.
And I have found you an equally awesome wikipedia reference
First officer (aeronautics) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
In commercial aviation, the first officer is the second pilot (sometimes referred to as the "co-pilot") of an aircraft. The first officer is second-in-command of the aircraft to the captain, who is the legal commander. In the event of incapacitation of the captain, the first officer will assume command of the aircraft.
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Curtain Rod
"Wikipedia" the font of all knowledge!
I have spent more time using these silly titles and thinking about the point in the last 2 days than in the last 30 yrs since I first started flying...you guys still crack me up taking this meaningless, minor, irrelevant, super silly crap so seriously!
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Curtain Rod your argument is totally meaningless. The RAF have had Sargent Pilots, the Royal Marines and Army still have Sargent Pilots who are non-commissioned officers. So what?
A priest can call himself a Revered. That is his formal Title. It is a Formal Title like Captain. It has nothing to do with the military.
A priest can call himself a Revered. That is his formal Title. It is a Formal Title like Captain. It has nothing to do with the military.
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So .... Err .... Missing the core concept of the thread??
I missed that amendment, where does it say so? Tnx someone
Now that we are no longer worthy of the title "Captain",
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Resident numb nuts.
It's been removed from our ticketing and the PIL etc " to better align with industry norms" with respect to e- ticketing etc.
Some of our conspiracy minded brethren see it as a not too subtle attempt to undermine our hard earned rank/ positions.
I doubt CX set out with the intention of pissing us off. They certainly seem, as always, to have achieved it.
It's been removed from our ticketing and the PIL etc " to better align with industry norms" with respect to e- ticketing etc.
Some of our conspiracy minded brethren see it as a not too subtle attempt to undermine our hard earned rank/ positions.
I doubt CX set out with the intention of pissing us off. They certainly seem, as always, to have achieved it.