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KA rapid command?

Old 2nd Jun 2014, 14:17
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Gee MAM,

Bit arrogant for your first post.

Just coz KA get a couple of sectors off CX ( Bali had LF of 30% last week ) doesn't relate to a takeover. It makes sense to put KA on the thin routes, can't see CX handing over the rest of the regional network just yet.
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Old 3rd Jun 2014, 04:55
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Rumor CX is looking for second hand 320s for KA, how old are KAs current batch? Also of the 330s are they all ex CX birds now?
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Old 3rd Jun 2014, 08:37
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I'd fly a paper dart.

Just keep giving me my 10 weeks leave, plus, plus, my joker days, my request days and honour my lifestyle request..... and keep paying me.

Fx
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Old 3rd Jun 2014, 12:18
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Whereabouts in HKG is it practical to be living if you are a new entry on the FO contract first year? So clearing about 95K before tax and duty pay. I'm not familiar with the area and I know housing is ridiculously expensive. Just wondering what most people find acceptable. Got my interview in July.
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Old 3rd Jun 2014, 14:29
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Drfaust...whats your experience? Hrs/time on type....
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Old 3rd Jun 2014, 20:23
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Well 3.5K airline. Pushing 2K on 320 and 1.5K on the dash 400.
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Old 4th Jun 2014, 00:17
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Single , no kids, no problem.

Wife ++ you simply cannot.
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Old 4th Jun 2014, 00:26
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Mid-Levels/ Central/ Sheung Wan/ Sai Ying Pun.

Don't be lured toward places such as Tung Chung or DB. Pay the extra coin toward rent- assuming you are a single guy, the extra rent will be offset by the entertainment on your doorstep. By all means, go ahead though, if you would like to hang out in the DB Plaza drinking from 7-11 or dressing like a mainland pig farmer courtesy of the outlet shops in Tung Chung, then the airport suburbs are for you!

A Mid Levels pad would cost you under 20K, blow 50K on entertainment and save the rest. And you will need to save for a rainy day as there have been plenty of hard luck stories.Most of the new contract guys grumble that they aren't paid enough. This is true. But don't be a goose and come to this town and live like a bum. Mid Levels is a lifestyle for a single guy, most other places are an existence.

Good Luck!

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Old 4th Jun 2014, 00:32
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Agreed.
Nice flat in Midlevels, single guy = awesome

Maybe find some single bird to move in and offset the rent.

Or not
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Old 4th Jun 2014, 11:16
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Maybe find some single bird to move in and offset the rent.
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Old 4th Jun 2014, 13:40
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I have an interview soon also,

Current 737 captain with 4500 total and 1300 PIC,

Curious to know more about the lifestyle in Hong Kong for a single guy, also the roster and where do KA have night stops?
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Old 4th Jun 2014, 14:29
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Hi guys, thanks very much for all the advice. I'm 28 though, I'm im no hurry for offspring. A good gig with a reasonable command time and a good salary is all I need for now. I really doubt I would spend.. 50K on entertainment. I mean thats alot of money for me. Initially I would probably be looking to share a pad with another guy just to get my feet on the ground.

Anyway that is all far away, thanks for all the info for now and I'll drop a line about how the interview went and if I'll be going to HKG.
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Old 28th Jun 2014, 11:30
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Just a heads up on this. Email went out to eligible FOs that they no longer need 5000hrs. Rather than look for experienced guys and girls, they have just lowered the requirements. Problem solved. Don't let them tell you that there is the possibility of fast command in an interview. If they do say it, ask why, no aircraft on order, and the lowering of internal command requirements. Yes there was always the clause to get upgraded with less than 5000 hours, but it was for exceptional candidates. I guess everyone just became exceptional.

Bad news for the new hires, they were told fast commands as a trade off for lower pay, they just reversed that on these poor folk with one email.
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Old 29th Jun 2014, 01:04
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at least one HKA 320 FO signed to join KA starting August for possible 'rapid command' offer!!
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Old 30th Jun 2014, 01:05
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Rapid compared to CX I guess...
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Old 30th Jun 2014, 02:37
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Would anyone kindly please list the current FO pay scale C for 74.0 hours Flight Hours take home pay?
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Old 30th Jun 2014, 07:35
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Not nearly enough
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Old 2nd Jul 2014, 21:44
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So interview was done. General consensus between the candidates seems to be that we have utterly no idea how we all went on as it seems to have been hard to tell. Most of us, generally holding EASA ATPL's, didn't really think your flight school flown hours were of any relevance anymore considering the minimum requirement for interview was 3K or so. The general thought processes seems to have been that: 'Yeah, of course I have more than 100 hours cross country night time.' However they needed that to be highlighted in your logbook or something so there were some issues there.

Nevertheless the ladies at the interview were exceedingly polite and generally I considered this to be a very friendly chat with people that seem to be from a civilized Airline. Nevertheless I think it seemed clear that if you are to join KA you should be joining for the long term and not just to 'get your command' as it might happen within two years, or six or eight. The jist was that it was all uncertain and that you just have to wait and see. So if you consider joining for the long term, I think it can be a good deal and a nice place to work. If you're considering this as a stepping stone to the left you might be in for a letdown.

About my own feelings about the interview; I'd be happy to get invited to HKG and do the rest of the selection, however I wouldn't be surprised if they don't invite me because I might have been a little ... direct at the interview. I'm not exactly sure how much that is appreciated, but I kinda figured it's better to be honest than to try and sell pies in the sky.

Q: How do you know you will like Hong Kong?
A: I don't. I've never been to Asia. I want to go and see.

or

Q: Do you think you will be able to cope with the very high standards at Dragonair?
A: Yeah I think I'll be alright.

So, it depends on how you interpret that I suppose. Good luck to all applying, I thought it was fun anyway regardless of what comes out of it.

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Old 3rd Jul 2014, 04:54
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drfaust,

Did you ask them about the substandard housing allowance and how they think new joiners will cope once they have a family?
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Old 3rd Jul 2014, 07:26
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I didn't go there to discuss any outstanding union disputes or the contract. My philosophy is that if I get the job and accept the conditions, that is my personal decision and I need to live with that.

If you however need to discuss that issue with someone from management I'm pretty sure you can find your way around and raise those concerns with the appropriate people. I don't understand what you expect me to do about it from the outside, or what actual difference it would make if I did in fact pose that question on the interview?
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