CX want a fight, why?
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CX want a fight, why?
It is pretty obvious that management want a fight, they want us to enter contract compliance. Changes to staff travel, sickness policy, Manchester, A days and now an offer so low with the kicker of reduced crew on flights that the AOA are hinting at industrial action.
I am happy to do my bit but would like someone smarter than me to explain why a company who seem to always be 2-3 steps ahead of us want a fight? They know where this is heading so it is my assumption that they see some sort of advantage.
I am happy to do my bit but would like someone smarter than me to explain why a company who seem to always be 2-3 steps ahead of us want a fight? They know where this is heading so it is my assumption that they see some sort of advantage.
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Sign or be fired contract in your mailbox wiping out expat terms!
HKPA sweetener suitable for remaining LEPs and DEFOs, who will happily sign away leaving their expat brothers out in the cold (or humid wet), to accept or move on.
Standard Operating Procedures for the most caring company!
HKPA sweetener suitable for remaining LEPs and DEFOs, who will happily sign away leaving their expat brothers out in the cold (or humid wet), to accept or move on.
Standard Operating Procedures for the most caring company!
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They want a fight because it would allow them to do things even they can't defend in civilized times. Reminds me of a certain Russian president who's playing by the same book these days.
A wiser man then me said "don't ever start a war you're not prepared to win". I'm afraid we may be about to do just that.
A wiser man then me said "don't ever start a war you're not prepared to win". I'm afraid we may be about to do just that.
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Hundreds would walk, without the housing there is no point being here.
And they need expansion now to lock in the slots they want at HKIA.
And they need expansion now to lock in the slots they want at HKIA.
The basing closures / freighter crew HK conditions have been a long term experiment to work out how many will leave and how many will stay when no housing is available, it'll be perfectly matched to to rid CX of expat terms (until the next managers find new ways to drive down COS'14)
Included in the new deal will be more hours less crew allowing them to ride through the short term pain.
Anyone know the exact dates that CC started and the new contracts ended up in the mailboxes in 2001 and then the firings?
Time to re-read
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Where's the fast ball coming from next? Beware of the diversionary tactic.
Swire's perception is that the Paris embarrassment is down to the pilots and AOA action in contacting the French labor department. It's payback time and we are on the hit list, they want a fight, it will not be clean and the management will have to satisfy themselves that we lost and have learnt our lesson.
Who's willing to work L days now?
Swire's perception is that the Paris embarrassment is down to the pilots and AOA action in contacting the French labor department. It's payback time and we are on the hit list, they want a fight, it will not be clean and the management will have to satisfy themselves that we lost and have learnt our lesson.
Who's willing to work L days now?
short flights long nights
I don't work there, but years ago I aspired to. When I started out in aviation, a long time ago, Cathay was the airline to work for. It seems that once again, bean counters have taken over and a driving a race to the bottom. It's very very sad what has happened to the industry in general, I wonder if there will be a time in the future when people sit down and say, 'what the hell were those managers thinking'?
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SMOC,
Before a divisive offer has been put in front of us by the Company for real, you are already making a derogatory generalisation about two groups of your colleagues, 'brothers' in your own words. You sure know how to inspire camaraderie and sense of brotherhood. If things really come to that, how would LEPs and DEFOs feel knowing they are foregoing personal gains so that people like you are treated fairly?
Which side are you on?
Before a divisive offer has been put in front of us by the Company for real, you are already making a derogatory generalisation about two groups of your colleagues, 'brothers' in your own words. You sure know how to inspire camaraderie and sense of brotherhood. If things really come to that, how would LEPs and DEFOs feel knowing they are foregoing personal gains so that people like you are treated fairly?
Which side are you on?
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I'm pointing out how CX fight, we better all realize it now rather than later.
Perhaps if the tactics are discussed at length even the worst case scenarios we might not get so emotionally blindsided when it comes from CX and we all start infighting.
I'd rather hear "this is exactly how those guys on pprune said it would go" perhaps we should try and unite rather than attack each other like CX want us to.
Forewarned is forearmed as they say.
And it's about time the newbies realized how far down the tube this company has gone.
Perhaps if the tactics are discussed at length even the worst case scenarios we might not get so emotionally blindsided when it comes from CX and we all start infighting.
I'd rather hear "this is exactly how those guys on pprune said it would go" perhaps we should try and unite rather than attack each other like CX want us to.
Forewarned is forearmed as they say.
And it's about time the newbies realized how far down the tube this company has gone.
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Etihad apparently has approached the group as a whole (KA and CX pilots) with a proposal. Basically, CX is too hard to defeat financially in terms of a takeover, but Etihad want to A) expand faster than EK, and B- take over an asian hub. Being that it would be politically and financially difficult to do this the traditional way, they have come up with a new way that meets all of their objectives. That is, offer all CX/KA pilots their current contract +40%, as well as the ability to be based in one of the ports that they fly to, or have plans to fly to. This offer has to be accepted by at least 95% of the pilots in order for the deal to consummate. The effect is that everyone gives 3 months notice simultaneously. This is not industrial action at all, just giving notice. Everyone can leave in good graces, and CX will not have a reason to be mad at any one pilot - just the managers who did not prevent said scenario. Therefore, for the 15% who are too scared to make management mad, there is no downside - only upside. No need to work on your G day either, as you will finally be compensated properly. The only downside is that you may have to fly multiple airplanes (787/777, etc...). Contract goes up by a minimum of CPI each year, in addition to the YOS raise.
This is just a rumor, so don't flame me. It makes perfect sense though.
This is just a rumor, so don't flame me. It makes perfect sense though.
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Please explain how I attacked you? I'm merely created a method CX would use to divide the crew. I know LEPs and new joiners will sign a better deal, who wouldn't, crew have to realise that each group will protect itself, until one group shows solidarity for another to prove otherwise. This is the dilemma, it may be too late for expats to stand up for the minority as that minority is soon if not already the majority and CX engineered it this way years ago and I'm sure have new plans for the future. Hopefully one day we'll learn by our mistakes but it's doubtful.
An Ethiad hostile takeover sounds exciting!
An Ethiad hostile takeover sounds exciting!
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Quadspeed,
You may be in possession of the biggest man-gina ever! You're assuming every pilot in the company is shriveled up like you. Best to keep your chin tucked in, you don't speak for me or any of the CX pilots with whom I fly.
You may be in possession of the biggest man-gina ever! You're assuming every pilot in the company is shriveled up like you. Best to keep your chin tucked in, you don't speak for me or any of the CX pilots with whom I fly.
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Lessee......
A happy worker is a productive worker. The company has just once again turned toward bona-fide profitability in a more and more competitive market--partially because of efficiency gains helped along by the people you want to keep happy. Happy workers go the extra mile sometimes when they don't have to. Happy workers sometimes answer the phone during time of crisis when they aren't required to. Happy workers sometimes go to work when strictly speaking they don't have to. Building animosity always hurts everyone and will ALWAYS hurt the bottom line in time. ALWAYS. And it's usually the decision makers who wind up unemployed when the bankrollers see the bottom line headed south.
Maybe someone is forgetting they need pilots to drive the shiny aluminum tubes, and that there's a bit of a shortfall given the greater quantity of nice shiny aluminum tubes on the way. Or that some of their staff still are on the books at their previous airline. Or that there's not a limitless supply of pilots to drive shiny aluminum tubes around when folks are unhappy at where they are.
I guess my suggestion would be to keep the place a happy place
-- but it seems things are going in the other direction.
A happy worker is a productive worker. The company has just once again turned toward bona-fide profitability in a more and more competitive market--partially because of efficiency gains helped along by the people you want to keep happy. Happy workers go the extra mile sometimes when they don't have to. Happy workers sometimes answer the phone during time of crisis when they aren't required to. Happy workers sometimes go to work when strictly speaking they don't have to. Building animosity always hurts everyone and will ALWAYS hurt the bottom line in time. ALWAYS. And it's usually the decision makers who wind up unemployed when the bankrollers see the bottom line headed south.
Maybe someone is forgetting they need pilots to drive the shiny aluminum tubes, and that there's a bit of a shortfall given the greater quantity of nice shiny aluminum tubes on the way. Or that some of their staff still are on the books at their previous airline. Or that there's not a limitless supply of pilots to drive shiny aluminum tubes around when folks are unhappy at where they are.
I guess my suggestion would be to keep the place a happy place
-- but it seems things are going in the other direction.
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quadspeed,
At what do you think the housing payments from CX stop? The day the AOA announces CC? Just like that, "the pot of gold" stops flowing. No, I think not. Last time I checked, housing was enshrined in the CoS. You're the one who has not thought this through, "brother."
At what do you think the housing payments from CX stop? The day the AOA announces CC? Just like that, "the pot of gold" stops flowing. No, I think not. Last time I checked, housing was enshrined in the CoS. You're the one who has not thought this through, "brother."
