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And now it's Manchester.....

Old 3rd May 2014, 11:49
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Correct. Guess what most pilots will do though.
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Old 4th May 2014, 06:51
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Dear go43andrti

"Ive probably flown with these tools that only have the balls to say such things on line."

If you had flown with me when I was on the 744 then yes I would have and used to say something. Many a time I was the most senior on the flight deck when flying the crap freighter. Thank goodness those days are over!

"To think the people just being hired know all of the ins and outs of this job is ludicrous. When I was offered a base (yes, DEFO and happy I never had to live in the 300 sq foot hole your in now) it was never even mentioned to me that being forced to HKG was a possibility."

I was also offer a DEFO and I turned it down and took the full package as a DESO. Yes you did know what you were signing up for, and if you didnt well you didnt do your due diligence. Thank goodness for my choosing to be based in HK, I have recently sold my first HK property which was 1300sqft (not your fictitious 300sqft) and I made around $687,000USD.

"I'm happy to be on a base, and I'm happy to not be you!"

I am also very happy not to be you!

Again EVERYONE who joined down the DEFO or jumped seniority for a command knew what they were getting into I'm afraid.

It's a HK airline which is based in HK, not Manchester.

See you all in HK.
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Old 4th May 2014, 07:57
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Blutak,
Life is not about money and apartments. Hope one day you will understand that. Also, quit with the hate inside you. It is not good for your health ( liver especially). No I am not a MAN based guy buy I flew with a lot of them and they are for the most part fine individuals.
Go and have a drink and relax
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Old 4th May 2014, 08:47
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Blutak DEFO= Expat conditions if returning to HKG you muppet.
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Old 4th May 2014, 10:31
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Blutack

Man you need to chill, you have so much anger and hatred in you.

No doubt to had to give half the property profit to your ex-wife. I would like to think that there is no place in a flt deck for you, but you no doubt you just sit and squirm and fester over your failed upgrade. Good luck to you buddy, you need it.
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Old 5th May 2014, 13:20
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@positionalpor "Life is not about money and apartments."
Exactly, life is about choices...choosing to join a company which is not based in Manchester, and then complaining that it's closing..well not sure what to say.

@kmagyoyo "Blutak DEFO= Expat conditions if returning to HKG you muppet."
Not sure what your point is here. If you are a freighter captain NO you don't get expat conditions. Its a flat crappy housing rate.

@Chaac "No doubt to had to give half the property profit to your ex-wife."
Same not sure where this is going, but NO not divorced (yet). See no relevance to what this threat is about.

Its a matter of SENIORITY! And hopefully fixing some of those past errors!!!

Basically a base is closing where the company has never been based from. Its a HK airline, you knew this when joining. You also knew that you were taking a "fast track" command or FO position. Suck it up and enjoy the fact you had a good 6 years at the position.

But please don't expect to be coming to HK with pilots with open arms...its just not going to happen.

You could not be coming to HK in a more pilot disillusioned time. Everyone is pi$$ed off and having you seniority jumping [email protected] coming here...well lets just say I'm glad I'm not you.
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Old 5th May 2014, 13:38
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It would appear the blu-tacky is not content with being merely wrong on most counts... he also feels he has to be an @$$hole about it, too.

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Old 5th May 2014, 13:51
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So PPRuNe, which is normally full of sarcastic, argumentative Cx pilots hating on this group or that group, and never seemingly happy about anything are actually ganging up and and criticizing someone for being harsh on PPRuNe and saying we all work for the same team? WTF is happening?
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Old 5th May 2014, 14:22
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Blutac

Point is you are a sad failed [email protected], those on the MAN base are all professionally qualified aviators, unlike you.

Vent your anger on management, if you dare, or just [email protected] off elsewhere, do everyone a favour.
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Old 5th May 2014, 14:41
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"Again EVERYONE who joined down the DEFO or jumped seniority for a command knew what they were getting into I'm afraid."

You can be 'afraid' of that you want. When I interviewed I was asked if i was willing to move to Hong Kong. My answer was a resounding NO! Not a 'maybe', not an 'it depends', it was a NO. So feel free to cast your 'I"m afraid' where ever you like, just not towards me.

Call this a 'hong kong' airline all you want, the fact is, it's a global airline. I don't live in Hong Kong, I don't pay Hong Kong tax and I'm paid by a company outside Hong Kong.

If you had in fact spoke up and pointed out how all the based people you were flying with were 'out of seniority' (btw, you need to be schooled on what out of seniority means), you'd be the first and only one to do so. I'm 'afraid' you probably don't have anybody to back this story though, right? One thing I must agree with you on, is the "thank goodness those days are over" statement. We have a lot of very good guys on the 'crap freighter' (built in 2014 and is the most advanced, largest, fastest and most efficient plane we own now) and you being on it would just bring the bar down. So yes, thank goodness!
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Old 5th May 2014, 14:53
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"I was also offer a DEFO and I turned it down and took the full package as a DESO"

Really?
We need to meet you then! I always long to met someone with high moral standard just like yours. It will be encouraging to all of us.
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Old 5th May 2014, 16:30
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@ main_dog

"It would appear the blu-tacky is not content with being merely wrong on most counts... he also feels he has to be an @$$hole about it, too."

No idea what this means, come up with an argument instead of a simplistic slander perhaps?

@chaac

"Point is you are a sad failed [email protected], those on the MAN base are all professionally qualified aviators, unlike you."

I would like to think we are all trained to a standard at CX. So not sure what ur talking about here.

"Vent your anger on management, if you dare, or just [email protected] off elsewhere, do everyone a favour."

Management wouldn't want to hear it. They would like to hear if more pilots would work for less...especially if that means taking a cheap command on a freighter!

@Go43andrti

"When I interviewed I was asked if i was willing to move to Hong Kong. My answer was a resounding NO!"

Well guess that was a bad decision...in hindsight?

"Call this a 'hong kong' airline all you want, the fact is, it's a global airline."

Umm that's weird statement have u read CX history, it IS a HK airline u [email protected]

"If you had in fact spoke up and pointed out how all the based people you were flying with were 'out of seniority' (btw, you need to be schooled on what out of seniority means), you'd be the first and only one to do so. I'm 'afraid' you probably don't have anybody to back this story though, right? One thing I must agree with you on, is the "thank goodness those days are over" statement. We have a lot of very good guys on the 'crap freighter' (built in 2014 and is the most advanced, largest, fastest and most efficient plane we own now) and you being on it would just bring the bar down. So yes, thank goodness!"

This statement has no meaning (apart from crap freighter...which has nothing to do with the type of aircraft, only the substandard junior roster) just a personal attack.

@positionalpor

"Really?
We need to meet you then! I always long to met someone with high moral standard just like yours."
Nothing to do with moral, just life choices. But I'm happy to meet, I will be at the mariners club for the AoA meeting.

But guess all you junior captain non-HK based pilots may not be able to make it??
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Old 5th May 2014, 16:48
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You should change your screen name to schadenfreude. You stay classy San Diego!
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Old 5th May 2014, 16:58
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** Sitting back eating popcorn and enjoying the show **

This is classic!
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Old 5th May 2014, 17:05
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...no, what this is is utterly self defeating. Please guys, put a cork in it. The ones really sitting down with popcorn are the GMA, DFO and the like. Enough already. We have far bigger enemies to confront than to allow ourselves to descend to infighting. Grow up...please.
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Old 5th May 2014, 17:11
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Trafalgar.

Apologies, was just trying to lighten it up. You're right but in all honesty it's all HK Pilots have ever been good at - Fighting with each other. :-(
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Old 5th May 2014, 17:15
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....yup, can't argue with that observation.
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Old 5th May 2014, 19:46
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...and eating their young...
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Old 6th May 2014, 06:52
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"You may not like the guys flying with you, they may not like you. But whose side are you on?" - Iceman (1986)
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Old 6th May 2014, 07:25
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I think you'll find that it was 1985.

However, you are correct in the respect of 'whose side are you on?'
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