SMOC

I'll get blasted I'm sure, but seniority is to blame here, it's run it's course and is completely screwing COS, no matter how much **** they kick in your face or shove down your neck, you simply can't leave an airline to join the bottom of a new stack, and as conditions at the bottom also deteriorate, it makes leaving even harder. The guys with no hours are the only ones who must accept the terms to get on the very ladder that will screw them in the future.

When (I hope) these junior guys who have just got their 500-1000hrs leave CX will tweak the pay to make them stay. That is the only time CX will improve COS.

If you leave they will pay! Seniority prevents people leaving and therefore prevents airlines paying.

Yes seniority has small picture advantages but big picture flaws.

Blast away....

Cpt. Underpants

Agreed. For the CoS to improve however, will take more than a dribble of resignations. We'll need 20 or 30 to walk in on a Friday afternoon and quit en masse.

Somehow, I just don't think that will ever happen.

SloppyJoe

So you think they would have a hard time finding guys to sit in the left seat of a 777 a couple of times a month for US$7000? Seniority works both ways and at CX I think it is more of a benefit than a hinderance. You think they care about your experience or the image you provide to customers. They are filling the cockpits with kids who have no experience.

SMOC

Do you really think CX would let anyone sit in the left seat, they struggle to let 12+yr F/Os in their own company sit there, you're dreaming if you think CX /Swire will just give commands away, yes they'll threaten to or drop a rumour here or there and we'll all **** ourselves and bend over like always as we're afraid to leave to guess what? join the bottom of another seniority list.

QED

broadband circuit

Absolutely not. For all their faults (and there's a long list) the FOPs flying & training managers don't & won't give out commands willy-nilly. In fact, with the inexperience in the cockpit these days the job of a CX captain is getting harder than it was when everyone joined with 5000 hrs.

Now, if you'd asked "Do you really think CX would let anyone sit in the right seat or SO seat", then I'd answer YES. The bean counters don't care - it's all spreadsheets & no responsibility for them. The burden falls on the captain, and it's his/her responsibility to manage these "anyones" in the cockpit, and the captain that suffers the full weight of responsibility when it goes wrong.

twotigers

Flight Ops does what the board says.
Full Stop.

If they say hire DEC with low time.. they will.

Some older guys will piss and moan. They will be replaced.

Our only bargaining in mass union action, and we all know our g day working, flash mob bitch*s of pilots won't.

Therefore.. conditions will continue to erode.

Its a simple truth, but one many of you whom only care about yourself will ignore till its too late.

SloppyJoe

Seniority at a true legacy carrier where pilots are respected and their skill and experience appreciated would be as you say a hinderance. They would still pay top dollar to attract people who the flying public would want. At a carrier like ours where we are seen as overpaid monkeys it would be a disaster if seniority were done away. CX would become just another shty asian carrier people use as a stepping stone or attracting the bottom of the barrel pilots who are out of options. Management would be happy with this as the planes would still fly. Only a matter of time though before it started costing them, by then it would be too late.

SMOC

See the size of the F/Os house in MH370, I'm not sure too many would come to HK to live in a shoebox & CX would get pretty sick of paying for endorsements by pilots using CX as a stepping stone.

I think we're already at the bottom of the barrel!

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twotigers

@sloppyjoe

WHOLEY WRONG.

In fact Just what MGT whats you to think.

Why is China Southern , Korean ect.. Paying 17K + for Expat Capts then?

We are STUCK in THEIR seniority system.


It works for them not you, buy a clue brother.

Kitsune

The great thing about having f all, is that you have f all to lose... when LKS bales, its time to sell up too!

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A3301FD

Is it true the DFO is getting a HKD$16M profit share?

Sqwak7700

Yes. Their profit share is directly proportional to how little they give you. So, it is in their interest to make your slice of the pie smaller, therefore making theirs bigger. They understand that, and act accordingly. Lots in our rank don't, and therefore work G-days, don't use sick time, and bend over backwards.

Unfortunately, until these geniuses come to their senses, the pie portions won't increase in size for us.

propje

You can all read it in the Annual Report 2013 which will be published on the 2nd of April........

BusyB

Directors Bonuses in the Annual report are for the previous year (when we got nothing, not even 2000HKD)

744drv

Well it might be trivia .... but I didn't even get the HKD2000. HKD11 short ...... is this due sickness or something?

SloppyJoe

Yes will be due to sickness. Mine was about HK$60 short. It just goes to show precisely what your efforts are worth. HK$5.5 a day for going the extra mile, for taking that 100kg of fuel off or for bugging someone for a shortcut who has no interest in it at 3am. For coordinating a climb with another CX aircraft to save 1,000kg. Next time just think, its all for an extra HK$5.5 for that days extra effort. Obviously when you are sick you are putting in no effort what so ever so why should you be entitled to the extra cash, you could go somewhere close on a bus for that, or save up with two days worth of effort and treat yourself to a can of coke.

2 days sick! Thats a poor effort :-)

744drv

Sloppy, you are right I will put more effort in next time!!