So, how's that pay rise coming?
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Sadly 404, this is why the AOA is ineffectual. Too many small dicks drawing focus off the issue onto their own tiny opinions, or mock other's spelling without taking on the content. I'm with you.
The ONE and only issue we need to address TODAY is pay.
Becoming mired in the abstract and in fighting is getting us no where.
So they laugh at us and move on.
The ONE and only issue we need to address TODAY is pay.
Becoming mired in the abstract and in fighting is getting us no where.
So they laugh at us and move on.
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Not sure about your numbers……
100 eggs + 10% - EFP + 6hrs per month = 110 eggs!
I'm buying lube for the baseball bat with my backdated 4 months pay…..a small tube if I'm lucky.
100 eggs + 10% - EFP + 6hrs per month = 110 eggs!
I'm buying lube for the baseball bat with my backdated 4 months pay…..a small tube if I'm lucky.
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The company are short on RQ guys... The sickness rate is very high, the morale is very low, we have the new FTL's handed to us, and we are preparing ourselves for the worst with these "good faith" negotiations...(read giving up more of our "benefits", for a possible minuscule pay adjustment). The AoA have taken matters into their own hands for now, but how much worse can this get before guys just give up? There must be an end to this madness, and it is obvious that a lot of the guys and girls are considering greener pastures elsewhere.
We are professionals, and to that end, we take pride in what we do, and who we are employed by. However from once being a career airline, it has already become nothing more than a place to make a salary and move on (read C scale). I find this most embarrassing!
I am not in HK for the lack of clean air & space, the sky high cost of living, being away from our families, and making a large sacrifice to my overall lifestyle for nothing.
The balance has already tipped toward the sh#t scale too far, the question is, how much further are we going to allow this to go?
We are professionals, and to that end, we take pride in what we do, and who we are employed by. However from once being a career airline, it has already become nothing more than a place to make a salary and move on (read C scale). I find this most embarrassing!
I am not in HK for the lack of clean air & space, the sky high cost of living, being away from our families, and making a large sacrifice to my overall lifestyle for nothing.
The balance has already tipped toward the sh#t scale too far, the question is, how much further are we going to allow this to go?
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Gents
You elected your GC and they sit on the other side of the table and make a judgement as to the strength of the company's hand. To a large degree you just have to trust them as you made your decision when you decided not stand for the GC and elected someone else in your place.
I hear lots of bitching, but 10% of the membership could not get together back in December and get a stronger (less lame) motion that would force the GC to deal with pay, and just pay, on an "or else", basis.
Gents, we bought our ticket and now we have to enjoy the ride. The ride ends on the 30th of April and if you are handed a block of wood and bread knife and invited to carve yourself a baseball bat, we only have ourselves to blame.
PS And that final paragraph goes for KA as well! Still waiting for the enlightenment Sgt Rock!!
I hear lots of bitching, but 10% of the membership could not get together back in December and get a stronger (less lame) motion that would force the GC to deal with pay, and just pay, on an "or else", basis.
Gents, we bought our ticket and now we have to enjoy the ride. The ride ends on the 30th of April and if you are handed a block of wood and bread knife and invited to carve yourself a baseball bat, we only have ourselves to blame.
PS And that final paragraph goes for KA as well! Still waiting for the enlightenment Sgt Rock!!
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Liam, we had two guys fired during our last period of contract compliance for refusing to bring an A330 back from Japan on their G days after diverting - i forget the details. I think one retained his position after being reinstated and the other spent 12 months as an FO.
My point was that there has been plenty of solidarity shown in the past by the members of the DPA, it's not the exclusive preserve of AOA members as you would have us all believe. It's annoying when people question DPA members' solidarity like you did without knowing all the facts - is that sufficient 'enlightenment' for you?
I wish you and everyone else in CX good luck in your dealings with the company and I hope they give us all a damn good pay rise, we all need it. Hong Kong is not getting any cheaper.
My point was that there has been plenty of solidarity shown in the past by the members of the DPA, it's not the exclusive preserve of AOA members as you would have us all believe. It's annoying when people question DPA members' solidarity like you did without knowing all the facts - is that sufficient 'enlightenment' for you?
I wish you and everyone else in CX good luck in your dealings with the company and I hope they give us all a damn good pay rise, we all need it. Hong Kong is not getting any cheaper.
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Liam, what you have said is a common misconception being propagated out there. The end of April is not when a deal will be presented, it is simply when our back-pay ends. I think it was a mistake for the company to make a date like this, because they have now set a deadline in the eyes of the pilots. Now, if something is not accomplished by April 30th (which it is not required to be) things will reach a boil point very quickly making for a loooong summer.
Barring unseen undercurrents, don't expect a deal by April 30th.
Barring unseen undercurrents, don't expect a deal by April 30th.
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Sgt Rock,
"I wish you and everyone else in CX good luck in your dealings with the company and I hope they give us all a damn good pay rise, we all need it. Hong Kong is not getting any cheaper."
I am far from enlightened. I doubt very much your view is held by your fellow DPA members, because what you are saying is that you are so intimidated by your management that you believe it falls upon the AOA to flex the slightest industrial muscle on your behalf to try and get "us" a pay rise. What makes you think your management is more ruthless than ours? You appear ignorant of industrial history. Someone could write a best-seller about ours!!!
An opportunity existed late year for the DPA and AOA to present a unified front to the CPA group. That did not happen. It seems your belief in unity extends to shouting encouragement to us from the sidelines. Sorry, I don't consider that unity.
ASH1111,
Kindly re-read my post. I did not say a deal must be presented by 30th April. The point i am making is the potential exists for the back-dating to end unless a deal is done by 30 Apr and, to my way of thinking, that would akin to having a baseball bat inserted.
As for reaching a boiling point, we shall see. There was lots of chest-beating in November last year and yet the membership meekly accepted a 0% payrise for 2013 and a promise of talks and some back-dating.
"I wish you and everyone else in CX good luck in your dealings with the company and I hope they give us all a damn good pay rise, we all need it. Hong Kong is not getting any cheaper."
I am far from enlightened. I doubt very much your view is held by your fellow DPA members, because what you are saying is that you are so intimidated by your management that you believe it falls upon the AOA to flex the slightest industrial muscle on your behalf to try and get "us" a pay rise. What makes you think your management is more ruthless than ours? You appear ignorant of industrial history. Someone could write a best-seller about ours!!!
An opportunity existed late year for the DPA and AOA to present a unified front to the CPA group. That did not happen. It seems your belief in unity extends to shouting encouragement to us from the sidelines. Sorry, I don't consider that unity.
ASH1111,
Kindly re-read my post. I did not say a deal must be presented by 30th April. The point i am making is the potential exists for the back-dating to end unless a deal is done by 30 Apr and, to my way of thinking, that would akin to having a baseball bat inserted.
As for reaching a boiling point, we shall see. There was lots of chest-beating in November last year and yet the membership meekly accepted a 0% payrise for 2013 and a promise of talks and some back-dating.
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There was lots of chest-beating in November last year and yet the membership meekly accepted a 0% payrise for 2013 and a promise of talks and some back-dating.
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Yes Rod. I remember. It has gone awfully quiet as of late. I sure hope this is fueling everyone's "hate fire" rather than appealing to their pragmatic side. Nothing has changed except that half a year has gone by with no results. Inflation continues to steadily chomp away at our package with no end in sight. We may have missed the Christmas through Chinese NY peaks, but there will be others. Notably, this summer comes to mind.
Best advice I ever received in CX, "Don't get mad, get even!" We all know how that works, and in HKG where strikes are illegal, it is our best hand to play. Certain demographics are playing it better than others. Maybe it's time everyone got onboard. That especially includes G day workers!
Best advice I ever received in CX, "Don't get mad, get even!" We all know how that works, and in HKG where strikes are illegal, it is our best hand to play. Certain demographics are playing it better than others. Maybe it's time everyone got onboard. That especially includes G day workers!
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Couldn't agree more but I'm not surprised one iota with this current AOA leadership a complete disgrace , needs a full sweep through , from the admin staff to the bickering GC to the holy than thou elders running the show ....
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Cxorcist - you CAN strike!
Contrary to popular belief among pilots in HK, it is perfectly legal to strike. Just last year dock workers went on strike for 40 days, eventually gaining a 9.8% wage rise for their efforts ... And construction workers, " bar-benders", did the same some years earlier.
The reason a strike is never seriously considered by the mainly expat pilot community is that the average overheads of a pilot with family in HK are so horrendously high ...
If you want more info, just contact the CTU and they will tell you how to go about it.
The reason a strike is never seriously considered by the mainly expat pilot community is that the average overheads of a pilot with family in HK are so horrendously high ...
If you want more info, just contact the CTU and they will tell you how to go about it.
