Truly free ID travel for 1.5M AA "employees"
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Truly free ID travel for 1.5M AA "employees"
Yes, AA is able to provide completely free of charge (FOC) travel to the 1,500,000 persons (employees, retirees, family) eligible to use its non-revenue travel benefits.
How does this compare with CX? (This is a rhetorical question.)
American Airlines? employees fly free, other changes to employee travel | Dallas Morning News
https://wings.usairways.com/uswings/...ls_outlook.pdf
How does this compare with CX? (This is a rhetorical question.)
American Airlines? employees fly free, other changes to employee travel | Dallas Morning News
https://wings.usairways.com/uswings/...ls_outlook.pdf
because CX does or doesn't do something doesn't make them better or smarter.
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As AA seem to provide no cost items to their staff and are far more willing to go a little bit further for some employee moral can someone at AA please please please start pushing for ID90 business class travel with other OneWorld carriers.
There would be absolutely no point in trying to instigate it from this end.
There would be absolutely no point in trying to instigate it from this end.
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Sometimes a box of chocolates for the FA's is all that is needed for an upgrade 
your flight and cabin crew was amazing to me even though we have a economy only zed agreement with you guys.
On a side note: all US pilots can jumpseat for absolutely free on all US carriers. That is all pilots working for the larger regional / legacy carriers.. Space available of course but it's a good system.
your flight and cabin crew was amazing to me even though we have a economy only zed agreement with you guys. On a side note: all US pilots can jumpseat for absolutely free on all US carriers. That is all pilots working for the larger regional / legacy carriers.. Space available of course but it's a good system.
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And yet, we cannot even Jumpseat for free on our own airline. Have you tried to jumpseat on a freighter lately? Cannot! We don't want an extra set of eyes in the back, even though it may be the crews 1st time to a port that a jumpseater may be very familiar with! Safety 1st.
How much does not having a free jumpseat to work cost us, and have we increased our wage by this amount in our USAB payscales when we compare wages?
How much does not having a free jumpseat to work cost us, and have we increased our wage by this amount in our USAB payscales when we compare wages?
It's an Asian thing.
As you point out, in most Western Airlines an extra crew member in the jumpseat is regarded as a safety bonus. Three pairs of eyes for the price of two.
In Asia - cannot!
Why?
Ahhh....cannot lah.
It's like the training systems. Throwbacks to the dark ages, while the civilized parts of the world have moved on from the "torture box" routine.
You're meant to be glad to have a job, and pray the nice people on high will let you keep it. That's no exaggeration.
As you point out, in most Western Airlines an extra crew member in the jumpseat is regarded as a safety bonus. Three pairs of eyes for the price of two.
In Asia - cannot!
Why?
Ahhh....cannot lah.
It's like the training systems. Throwbacks to the dark ages, while the civilized parts of the world have moved on from the "torture box" routine.
You're meant to be glad to have a job, and pray the nice people on high will let you keep it. That's no exaggeration.
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The FO I just flew with told me that he spent $25000 hkd + to ensure that he and his family were able to get home for the Christmas holidays. This is after working a 900hr year, and minimum G days. As he said, I am working here to 'warm the seat', as he has NO money left after the end of each year after paying for all the ancillary cost of living in HK and raising a family (and never mind how the pilots on the non-housing deal will ever cope). The fact that he has to pay full fare on ANOTHER airline (he said he'd be damned if the money went to CX) just to enjoy a short time in his home country with his family says it all. I predict very bad things if this management does not wake up to the fact that more and more of the pilots are reaching the breaking point. 
It's not the 'breaking point' that will get their attention, as long as he is still there 'warming the seat', it's fine and dandy for the company.
it would be the 'walking point' that may be telling, but with his potential replacement lining up to join on even cheaper conditions, I'm not too sure.
The job really is screwed.
it would be the 'walking point' that may be telling, but with his potential replacement lining up to join on even cheaper conditions, I'm not too sure.
The job really is screwed.
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Management must be affected and influenced by the fact that there are thousands of Chinese pilots working (quite) successfully for a fraction of our salaries. Did you see the annual report? 250 new recruits and 10,710 (or some such number) applications for cadetships. So, if you don't like it, go somewhere else and good riddance. They have plenty of clever HK ID card holders just dying (sic) to take your place and they don't need any allowances because they already live here quite happily at the top of a multi story in Tung Chung. Cathay don't care as long as we keep quiet and let them get on with training our replacements with Air China as the business model.
Just look at what has been and is being done at our expense and we dither about trying not to offend anyone, resisting CC and turning up on G days to fly and check out (non jeapordy -of course) their new Sim programmes!
What would you do if you were managing such a disparate bunch of whingers?
I'd probably do the same as them.
It's right under your nose and you do nothing so you deserve what you get.
Stop moaning!
Just look at what has been and is being done at our expense and we dither about trying not to offend anyone, resisting CC and turning up on G days to fly and check out (non jeapordy -of course) their new Sim programmes!
What would you do if you were managing such a disparate bunch of whingers?
I'd probably do the same as them.
It's right under your nose and you do nothing so you deserve what you get.
Stop moaning!
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I can not speak for AA but most US carriers do not. In other words Amsterdam - Minneapolis would be $35 or so ... In business if space available... If not I just fly to another US city as my port of entry.. This princess needs business class. In the US we do not pay airport taxes so Jumpseating from the US to anywhere in the world would be for free. Non revving for employees, in some airlines, typically after a couple of segments, you have to pay a standard low fee. So as a pilot you jumpseat instead.
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