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Safety questioned at Hong Kong Airlines | South China Morning Post
Nice parting shot.
Nice parting shot.
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Poor standards
Inept management
Questionable safety
Cover ups
Firing people with standards and integrity
CAD showing no spine with under-table deals influenced by mainland politics
Is anyone here surprised to see this article?
This has been going on since day one, and will be going on as long as it is HKA/E is in operation. The Singaporeans started this slow spiral downwards and the mainland managers have ensured it gets worse and worse.
One thing is for sure. HKA and HKE are SHlT, and always will be. What will it take before the CAD protects the paying public from this menace of a company by imposing more sanctions or closing them down all together?
Shame on you CAD for allowing this to happen, and allowing this company to drag down Hong Kong standards from what they once were.
Inept management
Questionable safety
Cover ups
Firing people with standards and integrity
CAD showing no spine with under-table deals influenced by mainland politics
Is anyone here surprised to see this article?
This has been going on since day one, and will be going on as long as it is HKA/E is in operation. The Singaporeans started this slow spiral downwards and the mainland managers have ensured it gets worse and worse.
One thing is for sure. HKA and HKE are SHlT, and always will be. What will it take before the CAD protects the paying public from this menace of a company by imposing more sanctions or closing them down all together?
Shame on you CAD for allowing this to happen, and allowing this company to drag down Hong Kong standards from what they once were.
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Actual conditions HKA?
Hey guys, a few questions for you. I know HKA is not the most favoured airline here, but they do accept NTR pilots. A lot of data I found on these forums where ~3 years old so here goes.
-What is the current payscale like on the A330?
-What is the rostering like?
-Is there a current HKA A330 (expat pilot) who wants to share his oppinions about this company in it's current state.
Cheers!
-What is the current payscale like on the A330?
-What is the rostering like?
-Is there a current HKA A330 (expat pilot) who wants to share his oppinions about this company in it's current state.
Cheers!
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"Not most favoured?
They are one of the ****tiest, slimiest operators in Asia.
Take a serious look at yourself and maybe find a new career if you think joining there is good idea.
Also, NO.. They used to take NTR, but they have found many others who have been fired, or failed out of other companies that have type ratings they can hire.
No shortage of bad pilots it seems
They are one of the ****tiest, slimiest operators in Asia.
Take a serious look at yourself and maybe find a new career if you think joining there is good idea.
Also, NO.. They used to take NTR, but they have found many others who have been fired, or failed out of other companies that have type ratings they can hire.
No shortage of bad pilots it seems
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I'm just trying to make a fair assessment here and I value all opinions equally. It's not so much that I want to join, I'm just looking at all the companies that are presently hiring and I figured I know the least about this airline. Even on PPRuNe most of the threads are ~3 years old and I thought they might have changed over the time (how long can an airline really run like this). I guess I'm just a positive thinker.
It's like they say: "an optimist is nothing more then a badly informed pessimist"
It's like they say: "an optimist is nothing more then a badly informed pessimist"
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It appears BoeingEis busy trying to get on all sorts of **** carriers if you look at all his posts.
Grow a pair man, and get a proper flying job. If you can't, then get another job.
Working for Orient Thai, HKA or whoever is not going to help your resume at all.
Grow a pair man, and get a proper flying job. If you can't, then get another job.
Working for Orient Thai, HKA or whoever is not going to help your resume at all.
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Dork.. lovely.
Yea, I do ok now.. but it took work and years of experience.
Some of the jokers @ HKA have fabricated license' and credentials.
They would never pass a sim here, so no.. They don't deserve it, and YES they are employed by a **** airline with NO standards, low pay, lower moral, and in fact no long term stability.
Yea, I do ok now.. but it took work and years of experience.
Some of the jokers @ HKA have fabricated license' and credentials.
They would never pass a sim here, so no.. They don't deserve it, and YES they are employed by a **** airline with NO standards, low pay, lower moral, and in fact no long term stability.
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Twotigers you really are a prat
how does a fo earning nearly 80000hk or nearly 10k USD constitute as low pay even in HK, ok that includes MBA for housing, get your small brain out of the sewer. You obviously hate them, thats your prerogatives but spreading utter garbage is something else 
. If you really want to talk about low pay look at airasia X heard from my buddy there that everyone has to buy an ipad since company moving to jeppesen charts but company will only reimbursed slightly more than half of the cost of the ipad, now thats freaking low pay and cheapskate
. Now those guys there need to standup for their rights.
how does a fo earning nearly 80000hk or nearly 10k USD constitute as low pay even in HK, ok that includes MBA for housing, get your small brain out of the sewer. You obviously hate them, thats your prerogatives but spreading utter garbage is something else . If you really want to talk about low pay look at airasia X heard from my buddy there that everyone has to buy an ipad since company moving to jeppesen charts but company will only reimbursed slightly more than half of the cost of the ipad, now thats freaking low pay and cheapskate. Now those guys there need to standup for their rights.
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You sir, are a LIAR
LIAR
HKA salary is MUCH lower than you posted. Its almost half that. There is a NEED to fly X number of hours to get productivity pay.. sadly most months the flying isn't even available. Your number includes Housing.. which.. BTW.. similiar flats to mine for $50,000 and its not flash, not huge and not in Central.
So if you even somehow could get that 80,000 number as a FO at HKA (and folks.. it just doesn't happen with regularity) and you got a really ****ty place for 25-30 K , then you're back down to 50ish HK, or a little over 6,000 usd..
But wait there's more.. theres FOOD, transport.. hope you don't have kids, as you won't be able to afford to put them in school... literally. The fees will be higher than your remaining cash.
No.. as I'll stick by my statement that ANYONE working at HKA is not employable at a real company due to low time, bad experience / incident accident, or simple fraud, of which a number have been discovered.
You sir, are a liar.
LIAR
HKA salary is MUCH lower than you posted. Its almost half that. There is a NEED to fly X number of hours to get productivity pay.. sadly most months the flying isn't even available. Your number includes Housing.. which.. BTW.. similiar flats to mine for $50,000 and its not flash, not huge and not in Central.
So if you even somehow could get that 80,000 number as a FO at HKA (and folks.. it just doesn't happen with regularity) and you got a really ****ty place for 25-30 K , then you're back down to 50ish HK, or a little over 6,000 usd..
But wait there's more.. theres FOOD, transport.. hope you don't have kids, as you won't be able to afford to put them in school... literally. The fees will be higher than your remaining cash.
No.. as I'll stick by my statement that ANYONE working at HKA is not employable at a real company due to low time, bad experience / incident accident, or simple fraud, of which a number have been discovered.
You sir, are a liar.
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Twotigers I stand by what I wrote and will challenge you any time of the day. The figures I quoted are for senior first officers with more than 3000hrs under their belt and most of them fly more than 50hrs a month, by any stretch of the imagination 80000hkd is a very decent salary even in lofty hong kong. I know you are super pissed with them but please don`t let that fog up the real figures, sure if you have kids and they go to international school you might be tightening your belt once awhile but you can live comfortably well on that scale.
Maybe if you were not so freaking angry all the time you might just be able to see the blue skies from the clouds and stop insulting the guys working there whom like the rest of us are just trying to get by doing a job they love
but please don`t let that fog up the real figures, sure if you have kids and they go to international school you might be tightening your belt once awhile but you can live comfortably well on that scale.Maybe if you were not so freaking angry all the time you might just be able to see the blue skies from the clouds and stop insulting the guys working there whom like the rest of us are just trying to get by doing a job they love
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You Sir, TT should get your facts right before spouting forth.
The FO's contract are based on 50 hrs per month guaranteed pay therefore whether one does one hr or 50 hrs it matters not a jot. There's no need to fly more then 50 hrs however anything over that amount will be extra pay.Your bitter twisted dislike for HKA has totally clouded your judgement for the right facts.
The FO's contract are based on 50 hrs per month guaranteed pay therefore whether one does one hr or 50 hrs it matters not a jot. There's no need to fly more then 50 hrs however anything over that amount will be extra pay.Your bitter twisted dislike for HKA has totally clouded your judgement for the right facts.
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I looked at HKA a while ago. The systems, their reputation and very low standards made me decide to not apply. But for the record the figures quoted by 2Tigers is wrong and very misleading. No, not a "liar" but just ill informed. Sorry mate, but here are the facts from HKA's CoS 11 which I have in front of me courtesy of some friends.
An A330 FO with > 3000 hrs jet experience earns $81,250 HKD per month based on a min 50 hrs per month. Work 50 hrs and get $81,250. Work 1 hr and get $81,250. Work > 50 hrs and "overtime" pay goes $450 per hour from 51-75 hrs = $450 HKD per hour. > 76 hrs = $650 HKD per hour.
So an A330 FO working 84 hrs a month (the CX magic number) earns $81,250 plus (75-51).450 + (84-76).650 = $97,250 HKD per month.
No idea of the average monthly hours guys are doing..... Anyone?
No housing. Pathetic Provident Fund. No schooling. Minimal overnight allowances. Dangerously bad health insurance. CAD restrictions due safety concerns. Senior TRE's resigning due standards and safety concerns (as per that newspaper article (http://www.pprune.org/fragrant-harbo...-airlines.html).
Close to CX B-Scale? No way. Comparable to the rest of the world not in the cocoon of self adoring CX sell outs (who rolled over to allow C-Scale, CoS 08, RA 65, mutter "Contract Compliance" every now and then but no balls to back it up....49ers anyone?).... yes. But based on the CAD's restrictions, management practices, upgrade honesty and probability, their history and present issues and direction - I'd stay right away!!!
My point is, unlike the CX C-Scalers, know what the ENTIRE deal is before committing to it. Salary is but ONE factor.
2Tigers - I believe you should do the right thing and retract your accusation of "liar". CX-esque B-Scale is dead thanks to you all at CX looking after your own self interest, protecting your own contracts and not giving a damn about the future: that includes your AoA who also covet their own back pockets above the next generation's. When you allowed C-Scale you (at CX) lost all credibility to voice an opinion about integrity or morals.
HKA - stay away from what colleagues say based on their past, present and future direction, as well as my own research. Ask yourself why are they recruiting when they are unable to expand? People are running. A LCC FO might see that salary as great, but it comes at a severe cost to your career and future. I did, as I did when I turned down CX C-Scale. No regrets and a better career as a result.
VNA and Air Pacific are recruiting for 330 pilots on far better conditions and terms than HKA.
An A330 FO with > 3000 hrs jet experience earns $81,250 HKD per month based on a min 50 hrs per month. Work 50 hrs and get $81,250. Work 1 hr and get $81,250. Work > 50 hrs and "overtime" pay goes $450 per hour from 51-75 hrs = $450 HKD per hour. > 76 hrs = $650 HKD per hour.
So an A330 FO working 84 hrs a month (the CX magic number) earns $81,250 plus (75-51).450 + (84-76).650 = $97,250 HKD per month.
No idea of the average monthly hours guys are doing..... Anyone?
No housing. Pathetic Provident Fund. No schooling. Minimal overnight allowances. Dangerously bad health insurance. CAD restrictions due safety concerns. Senior TRE's resigning due standards and safety concerns (as per that newspaper article (http://www.pprune.org/fragrant-harbo...-airlines.html).
Close to CX B-Scale? No way. Comparable to the rest of the world not in the cocoon of self adoring CX sell outs (who rolled over to allow C-Scale, CoS 08, RA 65, mutter "Contract Compliance" every now and then but no balls to back it up....49ers anyone?).... yes. But based on the CAD's restrictions, management practices, upgrade honesty and probability, their history and present issues and direction - I'd stay right away!!!
My point is, unlike the CX C-Scalers, know what the ENTIRE deal is before committing to it. Salary is but ONE factor.
2Tigers - I believe you should do the right thing and retract your accusation of "liar". CX-esque B-Scale is dead thanks to you all at CX looking after your own self interest, protecting your own contracts and not giving a damn about the future: that includes your AoA who also covet their own back pockets above the next generation's. When you allowed C-Scale you (at CX) lost all credibility to voice an opinion about integrity or morals.
HKA - stay away from what colleagues say based on their past, present and future direction, as well as my own research. Ask yourself why are they recruiting when they are unable to expand? People are running. A LCC FO might see that salary as great, but it comes at a severe cost to your career and future. I did, as I did when I turned down CX C-Scale. No regrets and a better career as a result.
VNA and Air Pacific are recruiting for 330 pilots on far better conditions and terms than HKA.
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