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Old 16th Jun 2013, 22:57
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The A350's range is still only a figure on a piece of paper
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Old 16th Jun 2013, 23:18
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So they are going to start a new fleet. With new simulator new office staff and with pilots that can only fly one type of Aircraft. So we will have an Aibus fleet that can CCQ and a 3 boeing fleets. B747-8 B777 and B787...nice dream but not going to happen!!!
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Old 17th Jun 2013, 03:53
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Would that same logic apply to the A380?
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No Because the A350 and A380 can CCQ.
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Old 17th Jun 2013, 06:02
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Airbus are also planning on a common type rating with the A330.
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Old 17th Jun 2013, 06:14
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Froggy,

Did you even read my post?

The 777/787 are the same type rating as well. CCQ or whatever you want to call it.
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Cxocist...I never read your posts.

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Old 17th Jun 2013, 07:40
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Then don't reply... You sound stupid.
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ohhh touchy!!!
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Old 17th Jun 2013, 14:25
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There is an approved training pathway (short course) from the 777 to the 787, there is no pathway presently approved form 787 to 777.

The 787 and 777 are not a common type rating like the 757/767 in the US. Ask anyone who works for United.
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Old 17th Jun 2013, 17:13
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http://www.faa.gov/other_visit/aviat.../InFO11016.pdf
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Old 17th Jun 2013, 19:34
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CX Looking Seriously at 777 x

As CX is a serious airline I would hope that whenever there is a new aircraft in the pipeline it would run the numbers to see if it fits CX requirements. There's no point in doing it any other way than seriously!!

Life never changes eh - Boeing v Airbus in the minds of those with little better to do. And yes I have flown both and love both for different reasons.

Parting shot: Barbie Fleet - beautiful body but no brains!!

Oh dear - where's the coffee shop.
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Old 17th Jun 2013, 21:40
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cxorcist,

That document supports what I said, there is no common type rating between the 777 and 787 under the FAA system. As I said, talk to any of the United guys and ask what is printed on their licence, it is B-777;B-787. The common type rating between the 757/767 is B-757/B-767. Once trained on B-757, no additional training is required to have the B-767 type rating.

The short course at United from the 777 to 787 is 16 days (around a month). The FAA does not issue a 787/777 type rating, it is 777 and there is 787, no dual rating.

This is essentially the same as a 330/340 CCQ, that is not a common type rating.
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Swh,

Read the last sentence of the background paragraph and report back...

Cheers!
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Old 17th Jun 2013, 22:18
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Current list of FAA type ratings http://registry.faa.gov/TypeRatings/

See page 2, 787 and 777 are not common type ratings, unlike the 757/767.
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Oh, yes. Good find.

I also noticed that the A330 and A340 are different type ratings, and yet CX finds a way to have pilots qualified on both (CCQ).

Is there a reason why this cannot happen between the 777 and 787?

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Old 18th Jun 2013, 04:59
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Oh, yes. Good find.
I knew the facts before I posted. I corrected you twice, you still did not believe me.

I also noticed that the A330 and A340 are different type ratings, and yet CX finds a way to have pilots qualified on both (CCQ).
Yes, as I mentioned also above "This is essentially the same as a 330/340 CCQ, that is not a common type rating."

The A330/A350 is being proposed as a common type rating, see what the regulators have to say.

Is there a reason why this cannot happen between the 777 and 787?
There is no regulatory reason why pilots cannot fly multiple types concurrently, a number of AOC holders in HKG do this. Even CX has a number of pilots that mixed fleet fly the 747 and 777. It is obviously not cost effective to do so at the moment on a larger scale with the HKCAD requirements as it is with the A330/A340.
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Old 18th Jun 2013, 05:30
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SWH - I'm not entirely sure what point you're trying to hash out, but it's somewhat picking at the minutiae of the idea. Call it a "common type", a "CCQ" or "differences", it matters not. The fact is, that if CX got some 787s, I'd bet my house that they would be flown by 777 pilots. Unlike 747-777, or 737-A320 mixed flying, 777-787 training/flying is cost effective. The 787 was built with that in mind.

The reason United has separate 777 and 787 pilots is a different matter altogether.
 
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I'm not entirely sure what point you're trying to hash out, but it's somewhat picking at the minutiae of the idea.
Common Type - One type rating, one AEP, one PC type, one RT, one LC, landing on one counts for a landing on the other. Like the 777-200/300/300ER.

CCQ/MFF - Two type ratings,one larger AEP, PC alternates between types each time, RT alternates between types, LC alternates between types, landing recency needs to be maintained on each type. Like the A330/A340.

777 to 787 is not a a common type rating with a 3 day differences course as outlined above.
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Old 18th Jun 2013, 12:45
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Who gives a toss??..not even Toss...
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