Are Poppies Banned by CX ?
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Are Poppies Banned by CX ?
The Old Geezer (or his S/O son) have not seen any CX flight deck crew in uniform wearing Remembrance Poppies this November.
Is it true that company policy no longer allows their display ?
Is it true that company policy no longer allows their display ?
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I think you will find they are available in the respective fleet offices.
As for not being able to wear them, I don't know, but I would be very surprised if that were the case. I wore mine the other day at work and no poppie police accosted me.
As for not being able to wear them, I don't know, but I would be very surprised if that were the case. I wore mine the other day at work and no poppie police accosted me.
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I flew with an SO the other day wearing one.
Even our newest GM, PH, had one on. I heard he was an excellent sergeant in the army. Quite a leap from Sergeant to Swire. No wonder he hates pilots. They represent all those pesky officers he used to take orders from. Too bad he wasn't in the RAF, surely some of our pilots would have known him.
On a related note, perhaps someone should bring to the COO's attention that our beloved GMA is not keeping duty travel to a minimum, which was one of the stated cost reduction measures in his latest weekly telex. I had a good chuckle when I read that.
Thanks PH, my roster got notably better and it is costing the company more money. Perhaps the iron fist isn't always the best way to manage.
Even our newest GM, PH, had one on. I heard he was an excellent sergeant in the army. Quite a leap from Sergeant to Swire. No wonder he hates pilots. They represent all those pesky officers he used to take orders from. Too bad he wasn't in the RAF, surely some of our pilots would have known him.
On a related note, perhaps someone should bring to the COO's attention that our beloved GMA is not keeping duty travel to a minimum, which was one of the stated cost reduction measures in his latest weekly telex. I had a good chuckle when I read that.
Thanks PH, my roster got notably better and it is costing the company more money. Perhaps the iron fist isn't always the best way to manage.
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No snags at all..I've been proudly wearing mine as I have for years. You can get them in most of the clubs..KCC, RHKYC, Hebe HKFC and many pubs including Queen VIC, Old China hand, Globe etc...
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Oh, D-ENIM, you ARE a card 
If I infer correctly from your nom-de-Prune, don't forget that a lot of your chaps went down too and we can also remember their loss.
No reason to wear poppies.
If I infer correctly from your nom-de-Prune, don't forget that a lot of your chaps went down too and we can also remember their loss.
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We too commemorate the loss of all victims of war. We just do it without the poppies. Like it or not, the poppy is broadly seen as a symbol of British militarism in various ex-colonies, and I reject it for that reason.
Being based in Hong Kong (China) and employing staff from so many countries around the world, I don't see any reason for CX to allow the wearing of poppies anymore than we should allow any other symbolism that might offend.
That said, you clearly have every right to wear your poppy. You just don't have the right to force it down my throat or wave it in my face at work.
Being based in Hong Kong (China) and employing staff from so many countries around the world, I don't see any reason for CX to allow the wearing of poppies anymore than we should allow any other symbolism that might offend.
That said, you clearly have every right to wear your poppy. You just don't have the right to force it down my throat or wave it in my face at work.
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I don't remember your countrymen holding back from waving swastikas in other peoples faces throughout Europe not so many years ago. If it were not for those we remember by wearing poppies, then would now, all be wearing swastikas. Nobody is waving the poppy in your face. It is worn as a mark of respect for those who died to give us the freedoms we enjoy to-day
I don't remember your countrymen holding back from waving swastikas in other peoples faces throughout Europe not so many years ago. If it were not for those we remember by wearing poppies, then would now, all be wearing swastikas. Nobody is waving the poppy in your face. It is worn as a mark of respect for those who died to give us the freedoms we enjoy to-day
Symbol of British militarism in various ex-colonies
"Seen as a symbol of British militarism in several ex-Colonies"
From Don Tow's blog. From what I've read, this is a pretty gentle description of what went on in Hong Kong. Some historians refer to the occupation as the "Little Nanking".
From Don Tow's blog. From what I've read, this is a pretty gentle description of what went on in Hong Kong. Some historians refer to the occupation as the "Little Nanking".
Massacre and Atrocities in Hong Kong during WWII
April 2007 6 Comments
Hong Kong was a British colony before and after WWII, but from 12/25/1941 to 8/15/1945 when Japan surrendered, Hong Kong was under the control of Japan. This article recounts the massacre and atrocities committed by the Japanese troops during those three years and eight months of occupation of Hong Kong. The purpose of recounting these events is not to bash Japan or to generate hatred of Japan, but to make sure that we do not forget the lessons of history so that similar events do not occur again in the future. This is especially important taking into consideration that Japan’s current prime minister recently denied any major atrocity committed by Japan during WWII and Japan’s school textbooks have been rewriting history.
Japan started its invasion of Hong Kong on 12/8/1941 (or 12/7/1941 U.S. time, the same day Japan attacked Pearl Harbor). Great Britain surrendered Hong Kong to Japan on Christmas day, 12/25/1941, on a day that the people of Hong Kong called Black Christmas.
Although what happened in Hong Kong during this period pales in comparison to what happened during the 1937-38 Nanking Massacre, a great deal of massacre and atrocities were committed by the Japanese soldiers against the Chinese, British, Canadians, and other people living in Hong Kong at that time.
As many as 10,000 women were raped in the first few days. Tens of thousands, including women and children, were killed. Many more starved to death. Many parts of Hong Kong were ransacked and burned, and many residents left, deported, or escaped to even famine/disease-ridden areas of mainland China. Basically a reign of terror ruled Hong Kong during those three years and eight months, resulting in Hong Kong’s population of 1.6 million shrinking to 600,000 at the end of that period.
The atrocities were not just against the Chinese, but also British, Canadians, and people of other nationalities. For example, at a hospital for injured British soldiers, the Japanese soldiers slaughtered 170 recuperating soldiers and a few hospital staff. The eyes, ears, noses, tongues, or limbs were cut off on many victims. Seventy of the soldiers were killed with swords while they were lying in bed. The hospital’s seven nurses were raped, sometimes while lying on top of the bodies of murdered British soldiers. Several of the nurses were also slaughtered, and one of them almost had her head severed. All these actions were in complete violation of the 1864 Geneva Red Cross Agreement (which was the beginning of the establishment of the International Red Cross) regarding the treatment of prisoners-of-war.
After 18 days of fighting and bombing and the British surrendered on 12/25/1941, many people came out of hiding in the bomb shelters. Upon seeing many mean-looking Japanese solders with guns pointing at them, some ran either out of fear or not being able to understand the Japanese command to stop, they were shot dead on the spot. Some children cried and before the parents could stop their crying, the children were shot and killed.
Some of the atrocities even continued after Japan surrendered on 8/15/1945. For example, during 8/16-26/1945, a small garrison of Japanese soldiers in Silver Ore Bay in Lantau Island (where the new Hong Kong international airport is currently located) went berserk and slaughtered, robbed, and burned almost everything in sight, thus almost obliterated several small villages in this bay.
Many innocent people were also killed due to arbitrary and unjustly enforcement of curfews and other rules. For example, one time an eight-year old son, upon seeing his mother and a younger sibling coming home, ran across the street to meet them. All three were shot and killed due to a curfew forbidding crossing of that street. Often the rules were purposely left ambiguous or not well publicized, so that the Japanese soldiers could impose severe punishments, including killing, upon the violators.
While facing this reign of terror, many people also performed heroic acts. For example, in a hotel at Shallow Water Bay, Japanese soldiers found several seriously injured British soldiers and planned to kill them. A foreign nurse stepped in front and said if you want to kill them, you have to kill me first. On that occasion, the Japanese soldiers retreated. Dr. Hu, a doctor and head of a public hospital, out of his own pocket provided food and medicine to many orphans, and also provided free medical treatments to these orphans. Without his help, many of these orphans would have starved to death. There was also a British underground organization in southern China, called B.A.A.G., which helped over 600 alliance (including British and Canadian) soldiers escaped to safe territories, and over 120 Europeans and 550 Chinese escaped from Japanese controlled territories in Hong Kong and China.
Instead of learning from history to avoid repeating this kind of massacre and atrocities, unfortunately the Japanese government is in denial of their existence. They publicly proclaim that these events were fabricated in spite of so many eyewitness accounts, and they have been rewriting history in their school textbooks. Their senior government leaders also pay regular homage to the Japanese shrine where many of the war criminals were buried.
It is important for peace-loving people of the world to remember the following quotes:
“Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it” – 19th/20th century American/Spanish philosopher George Santayana
“All that is needed for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing” – 18th century Anglo-Irish statesman and philosopher Edmund Burke
April 2007 6 Comments
Hong Kong was a British colony before and after WWII, but from 12/25/1941 to 8/15/1945 when Japan surrendered, Hong Kong was under the control of Japan. This article recounts the massacre and atrocities committed by the Japanese troops during those three years and eight months of occupation of Hong Kong. The purpose of recounting these events is not to bash Japan or to generate hatred of Japan, but to make sure that we do not forget the lessons of history so that similar events do not occur again in the future. This is especially important taking into consideration that Japan’s current prime minister recently denied any major atrocity committed by Japan during WWII and Japan’s school textbooks have been rewriting history.
Japan started its invasion of Hong Kong on 12/8/1941 (or 12/7/1941 U.S. time, the same day Japan attacked Pearl Harbor). Great Britain surrendered Hong Kong to Japan on Christmas day, 12/25/1941, on a day that the people of Hong Kong called Black Christmas.
Although what happened in Hong Kong during this period pales in comparison to what happened during the 1937-38 Nanking Massacre, a great deal of massacre and atrocities were committed by the Japanese soldiers against the Chinese, British, Canadians, and other people living in Hong Kong at that time.
As many as 10,000 women were raped in the first few days. Tens of thousands, including women and children, were killed. Many more starved to death. Many parts of Hong Kong were ransacked and burned, and many residents left, deported, or escaped to even famine/disease-ridden areas of mainland China. Basically a reign of terror ruled Hong Kong during those three years and eight months, resulting in Hong Kong’s population of 1.6 million shrinking to 600,000 at the end of that period.
The atrocities were not just against the Chinese, but also British, Canadians, and people of other nationalities. For example, at a hospital for injured British soldiers, the Japanese soldiers slaughtered 170 recuperating soldiers and a few hospital staff. The eyes, ears, noses, tongues, or limbs were cut off on many victims. Seventy of the soldiers were killed with swords while they were lying in bed. The hospital’s seven nurses were raped, sometimes while lying on top of the bodies of murdered British soldiers. Several of the nurses were also slaughtered, and one of them almost had her head severed. All these actions were in complete violation of the 1864 Geneva Red Cross Agreement (which was the beginning of the establishment of the International Red Cross) regarding the treatment of prisoners-of-war.
After 18 days of fighting and bombing and the British surrendered on 12/25/1941, many people came out of hiding in the bomb shelters. Upon seeing many mean-looking Japanese solders with guns pointing at them, some ran either out of fear or not being able to understand the Japanese command to stop, they were shot dead on the spot. Some children cried and before the parents could stop their crying, the children were shot and killed.
Some of the atrocities even continued after Japan surrendered on 8/15/1945. For example, during 8/16-26/1945, a small garrison of Japanese soldiers in Silver Ore Bay in Lantau Island (where the new Hong Kong international airport is currently located) went berserk and slaughtered, robbed, and burned almost everything in sight, thus almost obliterated several small villages in this bay.
Many innocent people were also killed due to arbitrary and unjustly enforcement of curfews and other rules. For example, one time an eight-year old son, upon seeing his mother and a younger sibling coming home, ran across the street to meet them. All three were shot and killed due to a curfew forbidding crossing of that street. Often the rules were purposely left ambiguous or not well publicized, so that the Japanese soldiers could impose severe punishments, including killing, upon the violators.
While facing this reign of terror, many people also performed heroic acts. For example, in a hotel at Shallow Water Bay, Japanese soldiers found several seriously injured British soldiers and planned to kill them. A foreign nurse stepped in front and said if you want to kill them, you have to kill me first. On that occasion, the Japanese soldiers retreated. Dr. Hu, a doctor and head of a public hospital, out of his own pocket provided food and medicine to many orphans, and also provided free medical treatments to these orphans. Without his help, many of these orphans would have starved to death. There was also a British underground organization in southern China, called B.A.A.G., which helped over 600 alliance (including British and Canadian) soldiers escaped to safe territories, and over 120 Europeans and 550 Chinese escaped from Japanese controlled territories in Hong Kong and China.
Instead of learning from history to avoid repeating this kind of massacre and atrocities, unfortunately the Japanese government is in denial of their existence. They publicly proclaim that these events were fabricated in spite of so many eyewitness accounts, and they have been rewriting history in their school textbooks. Their senior government leaders also pay regular homage to the Japanese shrine where many of the war criminals were buried.
It is important for peace-loving people of the world to remember the following quotes:
“Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it” – 19th/20th century American/Spanish philosopher George Santayana
“All that is needed for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing” – 18th century Anglo-Irish statesman and philosopher Edmund Burke
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I'll buy a poppy and wear it with pride as soon as I can, to honnor those young men who gave up their lives for our freedom... but at the time, I'm not pointing fingers to my german collegues which had nothing to do with it all... peace all...
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Your xenophobic replies are worth less than a single sheet of single ply toilet paper is to a case of diarrhea, and in my estimation, right in line with the policies proliferated by those whose demise you celebrate in your Remembrance Day commemoration.
Honoring the victims of war is clearly a noble act and one which I admire and respect. I, however, choose to honor all victims of war without the poppy. I also choose to view the poppy as a symbol of what I (and many others) believe it is: a symbol of unjust British imperialism, militarism, and oppression.
Since we are employed in a multinational corporation where many will take different views on national symbolism, it is in my opinion, best to avoid brandishing offensive insignia, such as the swastika or the poppy, at work.
Honoring the victims of war is clearly a noble act and one which I admire and respect. I, however, choose to honor all victims of war without the poppy. I also choose to view the poppy as a symbol of what I (and many others) believe it is: a symbol of unjust British imperialism, militarism, and oppression.
Since we are employed in a multinational corporation where many will take different views on national symbolism, it is in my opinion, best to avoid brandishing offensive insignia, such as the swastika or the poppy, at work.
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Denim, your irrational and xenophobic rant about "British Imperialism" seems blithely unaware of the utterly dismal and shameful record of German Imperialism, second only to the Belgian's record for sheer awfulness.
If you troubled to look at the historical record you'd see that british "Imperialism" actually brought large sections of the world into the modern industrial age and (incidentally) in so doing saved them from the dire depredations of your lot and the Belgeeques. British Imperialism was generally a force for the good.
And just what the **** had the First World War to do with British Imperialism anyway?
I was under the impression we entered it to prevent German Imperial aggression in Europe, (just like we had to do again 20 years later) or perhaps the historical record is incorrect...
And if you think that poppies have anything to do with Imperialism you are a very sad, bitter and misguided person. I feel sorry for you.
If you troubled to look at the historical record you'd see that british "Imperialism" actually brought large sections of the world into the modern industrial age and (incidentally) in so doing saved them from the dire depredations of your lot and the Belgeeques. British Imperialism was generally a force for the good.
And just what the **** had the First World War to do with British Imperialism anyway?
I was under the impression we entered it to prevent German Imperial aggression in Europe, (just like we had to do again 20 years later) or perhaps the historical record is incorrect...
And if you think that poppies have anything to do with Imperialism you are a very sad, bitter and misguided person. I feel sorry for you.
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The poppy is the symbol of a charity devoted to the care and support of war damaged people, while the swastika is the symbol of the ultimate in mankind's capacity for sheer evil.
Your comparison of the poppy with the swastika is by far the most foul, evil, digusting and utterly shameful things I've ever seen written on this forum. I am writing to the Moderators to have you banned.
Hang your head in shame.
Your comparison of the poppy with the swastika is by far the most foul, evil, digusting and utterly shameful things I've ever seen written on this forum. I am writing to the Moderators to have you banned.
Hang your head in shame.
D-ENIM,
You're auditioning for the part of the Japanese kid in American Dad, or perhaps Blackadder, right? Absolutely ROTFL 
p.s. Troll alert.
Your xenophobic replies are worth less than a single sheet of single ply toilet paper is to a case of diarrhea
p.s. Troll alert.
