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Pilots Auditorium Boycott

Old 24th Aug 2012, 18:15
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Pilots Auditorium Boycott

RH has invited to another auditorium next week.

After all what happened the last few weeks, I think it is time to send a clear signal that the DFO and his GMA have finally lost the trust and respect of the pilot body.

I respectfully ask you not to attend.

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Old 24th Aug 2012, 18:47
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100% AGREE. Enough of hearing of financials, doom and gloom, etc. Why not teach us something about their mark to marketing practices and how they manage to get out of paying us our 13th month this year. Sorry, but some of us have lives to live that don't involve the day to day details of an airline, we are simply the pilots that study our procedures to ensure the safe conduct of our operation, we are not shareholders, nor do we have an interest in the details as though we were. We are wage earners, concerned with our conditions of employment, not RH's 2-year commitment to ensure a lifetime of fixed salary after his 24 months are up. Of course he is energetic to dance with words. Us pilots have fatigue, family, fitness, health, and financial issues that are of more concern than the price of gas or cup noodles.
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Old 24th Aug 2012, 20:02
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Or better still front up & ask him what has HE given up to help the company in its dire need? Has he suffered a pay increase or decrease in the "bad times"? Has his career stagnated at the revised retirement age? Was C-Scale not his baby & as such how's it working out for him personally & financially? A dramatic reduction in recruitment, standards, experience & (new) pilot remuneration under your watch - deliberately so? So a new CX pilot's career is worth so much less than yours (you arrogant ba$tard)? More bonuses Dicky Boy? CX's reputation as the recruitment standards of excellent still alive under your watch? What of fuel hedging? Price fixing? Your bonuses at times of loss? 25 year housing as trade off for CoS08 & SLS? 49ers? Proud are we?

How have YOU chipped in Dick? How do you sleep at night?
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Old 24th Aug 2012, 22:24
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Any HKG based pilot doing one of these on his/her day off needs to have their head examined! Go see Dr. ML in aviation medical. She will give you some time off to address your condition.
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Old 24th Aug 2012, 23:12
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I have never been to one of these before, not because of a boycott or anything like that, but because I have always had something better to do (and I don't mean that in a particularly negative way against not going).

But I am intrigued as to the make-up of the attendees. Is the audience of pilots a broad range? Are they brown-nose pilots looking for a management role in the near-future? Are the auditoriums full to a point where people need to stand at the back? Are most of the pilots there just to ask specific questions to give management a hard time vis-a-vis pprune type complaints.

Just interested really. I actually have no excuse for not going this time so I guess what I'm asking for from the less synical members here is it worth my time?
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Old 24th Aug 2012, 23:46
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Attendance mainly management lickspittles and a few bored based pilots from the Headland Hotel.
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Old 25th Aug 2012, 01:25
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Shouldnt the pilot group do the opposite, every pilot that is in HK and not working should turn up in protest, jam pack the place. have so many pilots on the street that normal business stops and the rest of the staff have to stop and take notice... let our grievences be heard. what would he do when 1000 pilots start asking him questions like, why have you not responed to AOA letters requesting talks, why have you not fulfilled your parts of the SLS08 deal...... im sure with todays technology it would get to the press faster than you could say goodby DFO..

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Old 25th Aug 2012, 02:45
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Following on from Flyingkiwi

I have some questions that I wish to see John Slosar answer. I won't ask them however because I am lacking in the gonad department and also I know what answer I will get. To short-circuit the system I will both ask and answer the questions

"Mr Slosar, you arrived to us from Swire Bottlers and you introduced yourself with a confident, relaxed style of Leadership with a shallow gradient of communication aimed at promoting a two-way flow. You will be aware that over half the pilot force is currently Based and the company is currently conducting a wholistic review of Bases. We have already seen two EU bases close and the pilot body is concerned the Review could result in further Base Closure, with the consequent and dramatic impact on the Based Pilots and their families.

Question: The company has chosen to not involve the AOA in the Base Review process. Given the gravity of the potential impact on the pilots, is this consistent with your aim of promoting two-way communication?

Fluff answer: The Base Review is currently underway and it would therefore be inappropriate to comment. Whilst I hope there will not be further Base Closures, we will communicate fully with the Pilot Body as to the results of the Base Review and work with them to minimize any undue impact upon the Pilot Body.

"The arguments in favour of Bases are well known and promoted by the Pilot Body. The operational benefit of Bases is well known and promoted by Rostering. What is not known are your personal views of the benefit of Bases as they relate to,

1. The Company's bottom line, and
2. The Company's ability to recruit and retain pilots.

Question: Rumours abound that you wish to bring all pilots back to HK, what are your views on Bases?

Fluff Answer: Beware of listening to Rumours. I have an open mind and shall wait for the result of the Basing Review before forming an opinion.

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Old 25th Aug 2012, 05:46
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Basings review

Heard on the street the basings review is complete, but not being released as it is for management eyes only............
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Old 25th Aug 2012, 06:07
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Some more Q&As

Mr Slosar, you have published a set of standards defining how we conduct business, particularly the respect we show to our fellow employees. The 40 pilots on the Paris Base were given just 80 days notice to pack-up their lives and move to HK. Whilst not wishing to denegrate the hardship to any one individual, you should be aware that for some, particularly the solo parents, they now find themselves in a very difficult, if not impossible, position. No doubt you will answer the company has offered assistance to the affected pilots.

Question: Does telling an employee, particularly a solo parent, that they have just 80 days to relocate to the other side of the world meet the standards you set when taking over as CEO? Given the considerable resources available to CX, is offering a solo parent unpaid leave really an appropriate way of mitigating such a dramatic change to their lives?

Fluff answer: It would be inappropriate for me to comment on individual cases and I know the GMA is working closely with the affected Officers. I know the GMA joins with me in exressing sympathy and concern for the affected Officers. I am confident in the GMAs ability to meet the required standards of support which extend beyond unpaid leave.

Follow -up Question: When the Amsterdam Base closed, talks were held with the AOA and resultant of those talks, affected Officers were offered bases in other EU ports, notably London. What are your objections to offering the Paris Officers Bases, even Temp Bases, in London until either the Base Review is complete or the affected Officers have time to organize their affairs prior to moving to HK?

Fluff answer: As previously stated, I will not speculate on the result of the Base Review process. Regrettably, we cannot offer Temp Bases and the reasons for this Policy have been well publicized.
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Old 25th Aug 2012, 09:16
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Liam: this could be said to many people on these pages, I just happen to be saying it after your post. Don't you think it's utterly pointless to spend time having hypothetical arguments between yourself and yourself?

There are many intelligent, motivated people on this forum with excellent powers of expression. Why not take the opportunity to use them. It might not achieve anything but it won't achieve any less than talking anonymously into anonymous cyberspace. If anyone wants to throw around childish comments like 'brown nosers', 'management lickspittles' who doesn't attend, I'd not lose any sleep over not commamding their respect. Anyone who hears you say your piece will know that the above criticisms are not applicable to you anyway. Win, Win.
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Old 25th Aug 2012, 13:29
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Unless you are rostered to attend....why even bother to dignify them with your attendance?

Unless you came down with the last shower, you will know that these sessions are not for YOUR benefit.
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Old 26th Aug 2012, 00:05
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Cool

normal business stops and the rest of the staff have to stop and take notice
Do you really think anybody outside the pilot group cares about the pilots?
(that's a question not a dig)
In this day and age nobody cares about anyone else except themselves.
Should they close the port where I am will anybody care, nope, and the way things are going that may well happen!
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Old 26th Aug 2012, 00:39
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Spanners,

Do you mean close the Port as in "CX won't fly there anymore" or close the Port as in "engineering will be undertaken by another agency"?

White None,

Fair comment, however what else do you do stuck down route and sick of infomercials. Talking to yourself starts to seem attractive!

And for those who PM'd with ideas for other questions,...... Interesting stuff....
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Old 26th Aug 2012, 02:32
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There all the same, take a cut in pay and conditions to keep your job,whilst they keep their bonuses
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Old 26th Aug 2012, 06:43
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Great idea, instead of asking pointed questions such as Liam suggests to our leaders, let's boycott and bitch and moan on prune.
Imbeciles.
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Cool

"engineering will be undertaken by another agency"?
This one.
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Old 26th Aug 2012, 16:30
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Blogsey, if you think you will get an honest answer to your "pointed question", who is the imbecile?
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Old 26th Aug 2012, 21:48
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Blogsey, if you think you will get an honest answer to your "pointed question", who is the imbecile?
It wasn't a question!
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Old 26th Aug 2012, 22:31
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I'm sorry, you're right. We'll achieve a lot more here on PPRUNE.
My sincere apologies.
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