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Old 4th Jul 2012, 07:06
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OK, so i guess then you don't travel, CX have to put you up in the hotel for another night. Maybe then they'll change the priority if it's that important to them that you get back in time.

Why should a member of staff but asked to sit on a JS?
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Old 4th Jul 2012, 08:09
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Couldn't agree more - I think the system sucks for staff on duty travel. Spanners and others only ask for jumpseats in order to 'guarantee' themselves a seat home.

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Old 12th Jul 2012, 15:37
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I know you've been here forever, but that doesn't allow you to treat fellow human beings, let alone fellow employees, with such contempt. We do our job, the engineers do theirs, and for that matter, the ground staff and cabin crew do theirs. I would suggest that you show some common courtesy, and stop asking what people can do for you.

Sure, being granted a jumpseat is a privilege, but I would suggest that being able to help your fellow worker is also a privilege. Personally, I find it very satisfying to be able to help out people that need it. Maybe it's just me.
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Old 12th Jul 2012, 17:06
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Yeah, read the dude's threat first to see what I was referring to when asking what "favour" he planned to hold back.

Apology accepted. Have a nice day!
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Old 12th Jul 2012, 23:00
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I was once a big advocate of getting people on the aircraft via the jumpseat. But now having endured two ULH sectors as a PX crew and their being F class seats available and not being upgraded by ISM. Those days have come to a end. Tired of helping cabin crew who have no problem spitting in your face when a favor is hoped for. After flying for many airlines. I find the crew at CX to be the most disappointing. A culture of ugly. Make fun of US airlines and their fat FA's. But they are far more stand up then ours. They look after a brother or sister. At the end of the day. That's what matters to me. Why we can't all get along and play nice. I will never understand.
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Old 13th Jul 2012, 00:30
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Because in a Western airline, even the fat FA's know a pilot's salary is supposedly commensurate with the experience ( well, not these days),training, and responsibility that goes with it. In CX, pilots do less work than the cabin crew so they should not be paid more than them. That is it. Resentment.
 
Old 13th Jul 2012, 01:53
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Rooster, thank you for the common sense and courtesy of helping out fellow employees, regardless of position/rank/title. Being a granted a jump seat is a privilege, as well as having the authority to grant jump seats is also a privilege. A privilege that the company can take away at any time. A privilege should not be abused.
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Old 14th Jul 2012, 03:24
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I was once a big advocate of getting people on the aircraft via the jumpseat. But now having endured two ULH sectors as a PX crew and their being F class seats available and not being upgraded by ISM. Those days have come to a end. Tired of helping cabin crew who have no problem spitting in your face when a favor is hoped for.
So just give up and become as rude, self centered and miserable to work with as the absolute worst of our Colleagues?

Alternatively, continue to treat others in the way which you would wish to be treated yourself.

We all need a j/s from time to time, and it take very little effort to allocate them.. even after the electronic system has been closed.

I do have a few issues with j/s requests.

1. I have found that on certain flights (beginning with the number 9), the Cabin Crew tend to input their requests like a stampede on the 18th. I ignore these for at least one week, since the majority of these requests are based on their published rosters. They subsequently swap the majority of this roster and end up traveling on different days, while not cancelling their awarded j/s. The requests made about a week later almost always seem to be genuine rather than just a tactical move.

2. I try and identify anyone traveling on Company business (e;g Cargo Revenue, Manager xxx) and ignore their request. If we all did this then CX would have to get more serious about their Duty Travel arrangements.

3. Keeping J1 open can really help a fellow Cockpit Crew out, when Crew Control change their roster and torpedo their travel plans at the last minute.

4. It is helpful when people who were awarded the j/s but were then allocated a seat in the Cabin, can let us know. I commonly end up chasing up the Traffic Staff to ensure that the "jump-seat passengers got on-board OK". A simple note or a word via the ISM saves me chasing this issue up. I am not looking for thanks, I just don't want empty j/seats with my j/seat passengers left at the Standby Counter.
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