HKAOA Out of control..
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West Coast Captain
I have agreed with many of your posts in the past......most of which were well thought out and informative. However, your posts on this thread have taken on a different tone. Please have a re-read of your posts on this thread. Is the triumphalism, sarcasm and insulting tone really necessary?
I suggest you may be driving away your natural allies......people whose support you might need should your bargaining with Cathay start to resemble what has happened recently with bargaining at Air Canada.
You are obviously a senior Captain and probably in a position to happily accept a generous severance package and go "boating" (as you claim on page one of this thread). But do the junior members of your Union feel the same way?
Think about it.....
I have agreed with many of your posts in the past......most of which were well thought out and informative. However, your posts on this thread have taken on a different tone. Please have a re-read of your posts on this thread. Is the triumphalism, sarcasm and insulting tone really necessary?
I suggest you may be driving away your natural allies......people whose support you might need should your bargaining with Cathay start to resemble what has happened recently with bargaining at Air Canada.
You are obviously a senior Captain and probably in a position to happily accept a generous severance package and go "boating" (as you claim on page one of this thread). But do the junior members of your Union feel the same way?
Think about it.....
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What about future court cases.
No problem. Any legal cases would be undertaken using Canadian law not HK's. Under Canadian labor law the process would be quicker and, most importantly, quite inexpensive.
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Raven 11,
Hard to believe that someone was actually listening to what I was saying. Nice change. When logic and common sense is continuously rebutted with acrimonious name calling and predictions of dire gloom it is difficult not to return in kind.
Let's not lose sight that this is a rumour forum so much of it cannot be taken too seriously. Unfortunately, there are those who hang on every word.
Hard to believe that someone was actually listening to what I was saying. Nice change. When logic and common sense is continuously rebutted with acrimonious name calling and predictions of dire gloom it is difficult not to return in kind.
Let's not lose sight that this is a rumour forum so much of it cannot be taken too seriously. Unfortunately, there are those who hang on every word.
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Mr Westcoastcapt
I'm curious; did you read beyond the first sentence of Raven's post? I did and I think he's stating that, in his opinion, your posts on this thread have an unnecessary edge to them (as was I).
Any chance of hearing your thoughts on the question I posed earlier?
STP
I'm curious; did you read beyond the first sentence of Raven's post? I did and I think he's stating that, in his opinion, your posts on this thread have an unnecessary edge to them (as was I).
Any chance of hearing your thoughts on the question I posed earlier?
STP
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Frogman
The possibility of a "lockout" (think Alan Joyce) has already been flagged up by the Canadians.
Taking a leaf out of the Joyce's playbook, the company will talk with Canadians, but if agreement cannot be reached the ultimate sanction is for the company to lock out the Canadian employees (a reverse strike if you will). For any other Canadian company, this would be a disaster as operations would cease. However, in Cathay's case they would just roster the HKG crews to man the flights.
As WCC said, no more of this take it or leave nonsense.........
Taking a leaf out of the Joyce's playbook, the company will talk with Canadians, but if agreement cannot be reached the ultimate sanction is for the company to lock out the Canadian employees (a reverse strike if you will). For any other Canadian company, this would be a disaster as operations would cease. However, in Cathay's case they would just roster the HKG crews to man the flights.
As WCC said, no more of this take it or leave nonsense.........
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However, in Cathay's case they would just roster the HKG crews to man the flights.
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Can someone in the know please inform the readers of the Freighter PX "plan" for AOAC pilots.
There is a nasty rumour spreading that AOAC pilots will Freighter PX. The second aspect of same rumour pertains to those members who did the negotiating and their own interests, but I won't mention that here.
There is a nasty rumour spreading that AOAC pilots will Freighter PX. The second aspect of same rumour pertains to those members who did the negotiating and their own interests, but I won't mention that here.
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Dragon69
I think the threat of a lookout is all that is required. However, if anyone wished to call the company's bluff reliant on a lack of crew, they should remember that any such lockout would be at a time of choosing by the company.
As was the case with QF, I suggest any such lockout would be measured in days rather than weeks. It would come down to who had more cash, the company for overtime or the Canadians to pay their mortgages, mooring fees, Ferrari repair bills
S11max, log onto the AOA website and you will find the answer you seek.
As was the case with QF, I suggest any such lockout would be measured in days rather than weeks. It would come down to who had more cash, the company for overtime or the Canadians to pay their mortgages, mooring fees, Ferrari repair bills
S11max, log onto the AOA website and you will find the answer you seek.
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turnandburn hit the nail right on the head.
severance package, most unlikely ...
Come to HK on COS08 (without housing as an inofficial punishment), your basing in Canada is not required anymore. End of story.
And there is nothing in any labour law anywhere to stop them from doing this.
good luck, Canada.
severance package, most unlikely ...
Come to HK on COS08 (without housing as an inofficial punishment), your basing in Canada is not required anymore. End of story.
And there is nothing in any labour law anywhere to stop them from doing this.
good luck, Canada.
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My thoughts exactly, Freightdog. I'm not sure how Canadians are truly protected if the company decides to close the basing area. I do think they would get HKG housing however, except the freighter captains without passenger command seniority who would either be downgraded or receive the 24K only. This reality will hang over every CBA negotiation for the foreseeable future.
In time, AOAC will recognize the foolishness of separating from the group and will beg to return...
In time, AOAC will recognize the foolishness of separating from the group and will beg to return...
