HKAOA Out of control..
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Dennis told them that is how the game works
Are you saying that DD is behind this? Some others are saying this. Apparently he spat his dummy and resigned as gensec of AOAC a few months ago after falling out with the Canadian negotiating team.
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Westcoastcapt
I know, well you have told me, that you are a superior intellectual life form to us "anonymous name callers", but you float the idea of Canadian Strike.
Using your super-computer-like intellect, how do think a Canadian strike would play out? Would the company not roster the other 2000 pilots to cover your 200 rosters? We have no loyality to you as you are not an affiliated union. Who do think is going to blink first? Cathay faced with an overtime bill or a CanadIan faced with a mortgage foreclosure.
You have thought this through,...... right?
Using your super-computer-like intellect, how do think a Canadian strike would play out? Would the company not roster the other 2000 pilots to cover your 200 rosters? We have no loyality to you as you are not an affiliated union. Who do think is going to blink first? Cathay faced with an overtime bill or a CanadIan faced with a mortgage foreclosure.
You have thought this through,...... right?
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Loyalty
Sorry Liam, affiliated or not there is no loyalty within the Cathay Pacific Pilot Group. I learned this the hard way back in 1999 and 2001.
Many pilots say one thing in public but when it comes time to vote, it goes the other way. Funny thing how that works.
If any based got locked out or went on strike other bases will do the flying into that base. If they refused, CX will fire them individually or en masse. We then know what happens next. I think the Canadians or any other base realize this.
Many pilots say one thing in public but when it comes time to vote, it goes the other way. Funny thing how that works.
If any based got locked out or went on strike other bases will do the flying into that base. If they refused, CX will fire them individually or en masse. We then know what happens next. I think the Canadians or any other base realize this.
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Bloggs,
I would like to think that this group has learned from its past failures and would do the right thing given the opportunity again. That said, it would be very difficult to put my job on the line for a group that chose to cut itself away from the whole, regardless their grievance. For now, they stand alone...
I would like to think that this group has learned from its past failures and would do the right thing given the opportunity again. That said, it would be very difficult to put my job on the line for a group that chose to cut itself away from the whole, regardless their grievance. For now, they stand alone...
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Mr Bloggs
Point well missed.
I am referring to Westcoastcapt's comment, "what will you do, go on strike ha ha."
Westcoastcapt is again thumbing his nose at others, talking up the value of Canadian labour law, when the reality is clearly different. His self-proclaimed superior intellect prevents him from realizing this.
I am referring to Westcoastcapt's comment, "what will you do, go on strike ha ha."
Westcoastcapt is again thumbing his nose at others, talking up the value of Canadian labour law, when the reality is clearly different. His self-proclaimed superior intellect prevents him from realizing this.
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Mr Liam,
Like many of your posts, I'm not sure what you are talking about. Seems like others don't either. Thanks for the compliment regarding my supposed intellect.
No one in this organization will ever go on strike, nor will the pilot group stand up as a whole to defend each other. We learned that lesson very well a number of years ago. I guess you missed my subtle humor.
That has been the thrust of my argument from the start. There is always much bravado in anonymous posts but the reality is somewhat different.
Relatively new here?
Like many of your posts, I'm not sure what you are talking about. Seems like others don't either. Thanks for the compliment regarding my supposed intellect.
No one in this organization will ever go on strike, nor will the pilot group stand up as a whole to defend each other. We learned that lesson very well a number of years ago. I guess you missed my subtle humor.
That has been the thrust of my argument from the start. There is always much bravado in anonymous posts but the reality is somewhat different.
Relatively new here?
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Westcoastcapt,
Since you seem to have some inside info about the whole process, maybe you could share with rest of us how you will handle PX'ng on the freighters?
I heard you will agree to it (with no changes to the current credit time) just to save YVR as freighter base...
Since you seem to have some inside info about the whole process, maybe you could share with rest of us how you will handle PX'ng on the freighters?
I heard you will agree to it (with no changes to the current credit time) just to save YVR as freighter base...
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Mr Westcoastcapt
In your posts you often refer to the anonymous name-calling which is a feature of this site and, I agree, it's puerile. What you seem to overlook, however, is that the impact of your posts is lessened by your often condescending tone - name-calling in another guise. This is unfortunate as I'm sure you have some valid arguments but these will be disregarded if they are interspersed with barely concealed contempt for those you are trying to persuade that your point of view has some validity worthy of their consideration.
I have a question: will the Canadians still be wearing their lanyards and, assuming the answer is yes, what effect, if any, do you think that this will have on the cockpit working environment should the other pilot be wearing a different lanyard?
STP
In your posts you often refer to the anonymous name-calling which is a feature of this site and, I agree, it's puerile. What you seem to overlook, however, is that the impact of your posts is lessened by your often condescending tone - name-calling in another guise. This is unfortunate as I'm sure you have some valid arguments but these will be disregarded if they are interspersed with barely concealed contempt for those you are trying to persuade that your point of view has some validity worthy of their consideration.
I have a question: will the Canadians still be wearing their lanyards and, assuming the answer is yes, what effect, if any, do you think that this will have on the cockpit working environment should the other pilot be wearing a different lanyard?
STP
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Originally Posted by jizzmonkey
...as I said before, you will be sold out.....
The third floor is probably reading this, smoking cigars, laughing their ass off, counting their bonusi'.
You lot are a bunch of numptys. Though it doesn't benefit me, im glad to see AOAC looking out for their best interest, the HKAOA sure wouldn't be..
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How
What I want to I know is how such a fundamental change in our organization could come about without any input from members. Canadians or HKAOA members.
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Westcoastcapt
I think you need to re-boot your superior intellect. I cannot understand how you, or anyone else, could have interpreted my post as promoting the idea of any loyality within the Cathay workforce.
When I wrote, "We have no loyality to you.." what do you think I meant?
I am acutely aware of the history of the AOA and the pretend loyality that exists. The poor relationship between AOA Canada and the rest of the AOA now means that no one will even bother to pretend.
Your confusion appears to extend to your belief that the company's obligation to negotiate equates to an obligation to agree. The company don't have to agree to your demands, so when negotiations fail, what are you going to do? Beg.....
When I wrote, "We have no loyality to you.." what do you think I meant?
I am acutely aware of the history of the AOA and the pretend loyality that exists. The poor relationship between AOA Canada and the rest of the AOA now means that no one will even bother to pretend.
Your confusion appears to extend to your belief that the company's obligation to negotiate equates to an obligation to agree. The company don't have to agree to your demands, so when negotiations fail, what are you going to do? Beg.....
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So let me get this right.
If AOA Canada goes on strike, we in hkg do not or cannot support them. Do we then have to man the flights to Vancouver and Toronto as per Cx orders.
This sounds silly but im sure that is what Cx has in mind in the future.
What about future court cases. If the Canadians need to take Cx to court, who is going to pay for it...sounds expensive concidering the limited numbers on the base.
If AOA Canada goes on strike, we in hkg do not or cannot support them. Do we then have to man the flights to Vancouver and Toronto as per Cx orders.
This sounds silly but im sure that is what Cx has in mind in the future.
What about future court cases. If the Canadians need to take Cx to court, who is going to pay for it...sounds expensive concidering the limited numbers on the base.
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HKG-based crew always operate flight to YYZ/YVR and that will continue regardless of AOAC members' actions and inactions. Other than refusing to PX on freighters (as per COS), nobody will ever refuse to fly anywhere, anytime, and everyone knows it - unless everyone refused together - we know that's never going to happen either.
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Chaps,
AOA Canada just wants to settle their contract negotiations and you already are talking about contingencies in the event of a strike. Who is going to fly and who won't. Amazing! I love it. You all should get out more.
AOA Canada just wants to settle their contract negotiations and you already are talking about contingencies in the event of a strike. Who is going to fly and who won't. Amazing! I love it. You all should get out more.