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Blood money......
For those of you who still think shark fin soup is the only thing worth petitioning the Chinese to stop;
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Thanks for posting
Great to hear of further progress in our own company regarding shark fin... thanks for sharing.
Re: the responses... I see nothing in the original post that would suggest that shark fin is the only issue worth petitioning or that shark fin represents the only source of 'blood money' globally...
Enjoy some good news for a change.
Re: the responses... I see nothing in the original post that would suggest that shark fin is the only issue worth petitioning or that shark fin represents the only source of 'blood money' globally...
Enjoy some good news for a change.
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Girl with a Stick in Honkers on way to China.
Visa costs for 4 - $840.00
You might think they are trying to discourage visitors.
And 2 hours in visa office.
Visa costs for 4 - $840.00
You might think they are trying to discourage visitors.
And 2 hours in visa office.
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Brilliant!!
I'm not that much of a tree hugger, but if this is the case... fantastic!! Something also on another forum about Air India (or could have been Kingfisher) refusing to carry animals for Product testing. Interesting... but the ban on sharks and related products gets a big congrats from me!!
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I'm not that much of a tree hugger, but if this is the case... fantastic!! Something also on another forum about Air India (or could have been Kingfisher) refusing to carry animals for Product testing. Interesting... but the ban on sharks and related products gets a big congrats from me!!
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I know Shark fin is supposed to be good but the rest of the shark is also damn good and have never figured out why they waste the rest of the shark ?
Anyone shed any light on why fillets aren't taken as well ?
Anyone shed any light on why fillets aren't taken as well ?
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Smoke & mirrors! All that they said is that they won't enter into any new contracts to carry the stuff. It will still be in the belly of CX aircraft, but now it will be carried as (daily) ad-hoc consignments of "seafood" as opposed to "contract" consignments. So they will still carry it, at a higher (non contract) price, whilst proclaiming how environmentally friendly they are because they haven't entered into any new contracts to carry the stuff.
Pure genius! The public is fooled into thinking they are wonderful and they make more money at the same time!
Pure genius! The public is fooled into thinking they are wonderful and they make more money at the same time!
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fin...le fin?
JM...you're probably right even tho cynical. As pilots, we still have a little control left and some of that lies in deeper audit of the NOTOC. If you have any suspicions with ANY cargo we carry, you can always ask for the airway bill/the bill of laden. This sometimes detailed document will have the origin, sender, purchaser and cargo breakdown. I have offloaded, shark fin on a frequent basis, even when the fin was annotated as "dry fish product". The airway bill will not include species of fin but at the moment there are 6 shark species that need trans continent CITES3 permits for cargo: if we can't ascertain the sub/species then I have always assumed the worst and gone for the offload. Subsequent tea and biccies with fleet office has always resulted in..."well, if we don't carry it, then another carrier will..."...once again the lemming management effect where no one has the balls to make a decision. This system of audit works particularly well out of all the Indonesian ports where cargo corruption is rife and false labelling also the case. Be very careful that grouper fry isn't coral, (destination TPE and Japan for the coral jewellery trade), turtle, isn't green, Hawksbill or leatherback..again via HKG for China/Japan?Taiwan markets.
Even if it means OTP compromise, I will often physically inspect suspect cargo...do the same and you'll be suprised what you'll find.
I suggest that the company will need this 3 month lead to establish sound principle in banning fin but also to re label the product. Since it has already travelled as DRY FISH PRODUCT, I would suggest a reversion to this, with the obvious ramifications of becoming corrupt product with other dry goods.
Its a good move by CX either way you look at it..they garner the respect of the conservationists and can also recover the potential of high earning freight but slipping it under a carpet label that most crews will find confusing to detect.
Even if it means OTP compromise, I will often physically inspect suspect cargo...do the same and you'll be suprised what you'll find.
I suggest that the company will need this 3 month lead to establish sound principle in banning fin but also to re label the product. Since it has already travelled as DRY FISH PRODUCT, I would suggest a reversion to this, with the obvious ramifications of becoming corrupt product with other dry goods.
Its a good move by CX either way you look at it..they garner the respect of the conservationists and can also recover the potential of high earning freight but slipping it under a carpet label that most crews will find confusing to detect.
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From Cathay sources:
Community members opposed to our implementation of the new restrictive carriage policy on shark fin are expected to demonstrate this morning (Friday, 7 September) in front of Cathay City.
UN-FUC&ING BELIEVABLE! Or, maybe not!
How could Cathay take away their ability to cut limbs off other animals and throw them back into their habitat to die?
Community members opposed to our implementation of the new restrictive carriage policy on shark fin are expected to demonstrate this morning (Friday, 7 September) in front of Cathay City.
UN-FUC&ING BELIEVABLE! Or, maybe not!
How could Cathay take away their ability to cut limbs off other animals and throw them back into their habitat to die?
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le fin?
Either way, at least its a start at getting the sea in some semblance of better order and it starts with corporate stewardship born out of the efforts of active NGO's.....next stop...banning trans shipment of rhino horn, tiger and lion bone and tusk...yep..better believe it, CX carries that too, mostly as unknown via hand luggage but also masquerading as "dry product" in the good old NOTOC.
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Shark fin soup makes the oceans a safer place to swim! Go China!
Yeah, they could take an extra 10 seconds or so to sever their brain stems with a machete to be less cruel, but aside from that, what's the problem with putting sharks in the food chain? People gladly eat steak, but they've never seen what the cattle go through at the slaughter house. It's not pretty.
The reason that they don't eat the shark meat is because the fins demand a 100-fold markup per kg over the meat. If you had a boat that could hold 1000kg of shark meat at $2/kg or 1000kg of fins at $200/kg, what would you do with the shark bodies? That's $2,000 versus $200,000.
I love seeing all the tree-huggers protesting the shark fin trade as they throw their empty plastic water bottle in the trash and drive their SUVs and BMWs to work.
Yeah, they could take an extra 10 seconds or so to sever their brain stems with a machete to be less cruel, but aside from that, what's the problem with putting sharks in the food chain? People gladly eat steak, but they've never seen what the cattle go through at the slaughter house. It's not pretty.
The reason that they don't eat the shark meat is because the fins demand a 100-fold markup per kg over the meat. If you had a boat that could hold 1000kg of shark meat at $2/kg or 1000kg of fins at $200/kg, what would you do with the shark bodies? That's $2,000 versus $200,000.
I love seeing all the tree-huggers protesting the shark fin trade as they throw their empty plastic water bottle in the trash and drive their SUVs and BMWs to work.
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Jizzmonkey - I realize you are taking the !@#$ but just for interest - Shark Fin soup is actually not an old Chinese tradition at all - it recently developed as a way to show how much $$$ you have. It has virtually nothing to do with the tradition or culture of China.
This is the sad thing - Chinese ancient culture is actually quite refined and respectfull of nature - it has been destroyed and perverted by the communists who have enslaved the billions of peasants and destroyed most of their humanity in the last 50 years. As a result you and I probably know more about Chinese culture than the average Chinese these days.
Sadly all that is left of their famous culture is the cuisine....of which shark fin soup never was a significant part until Rolexes and Mercedes Benzes along with expensive wedding banquets (where the bride wears a white dress and the groom a tuxedo - but lets not go there..) became de rigueur. Its the victory of the tasteless nouveau riche masses more than ancient culture.
The average Hong Konger would like to tell you different - but as I said they know less about their culture than you do probably....
This is the sad thing - Chinese ancient culture is actually quite refined and respectfull of nature - it has been destroyed and perverted by the communists who have enslaved the billions of peasants and destroyed most of their humanity in the last 50 years. As a result you and I probably know more about Chinese culture than the average Chinese these days.
Sadly all that is left of their famous culture is the cuisine....of which shark fin soup never was a significant part until Rolexes and Mercedes Benzes along with expensive wedding banquets (where the bride wears a white dress and the groom a tuxedo - but lets not go there..) became de rigueur. Its the victory of the tasteless nouveau riche masses more than ancient culture.
The average Hong Konger would like to tell you different - but as I said they know less about their culture than you do probably....
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Pogie, finally a sensible post on this ridiculous thread. Although I'm surprised it took two pages before someone like you mentioned the absurdity of the tree huggers.
I too am amused at those who will gladly eat steak and other meat products etc but cry at the thought of shark fin, horse meat or any cruelty to animals that may be considered a man's best friend!
I too am amused at those who will gladly eat steak and other meat products etc but cry at the thought of shark fin, horse meat or any cruelty to animals that may be considered a man's best friend!
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Pogie,
the point is if human fingers were selling for $100,000 a pop would you cut yours off and then die of septicaemia so the rest of your 'cheap' and 'useless' carcass was left to rot?
Then perhaps you might understand why idiots that pay a fortune for something that is no more 'valuable' or 'useful' to the human race are the real fcukwits here.
And an airline that wastes its resources transporting this around the world in a velvet lined box to people around the world paying thousands of dollars for the 'luxury' are themselves part of the fcukwit culture?
When it ends in the waste of all that protein while people in the world starve - I think so.
Bon Voyage,
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the point is if human fingers were selling for $100,000 a pop would you cut yours off and then die of septicaemia so the rest of your 'cheap' and 'useless' carcass was left to rot?
Then perhaps you might understand why idiots that pay a fortune for something that is no more 'valuable' or 'useful' to the human race are the real fcukwits here.
And an airline that wastes its resources transporting this around the world in a velvet lined box to people around the world paying thousands of dollars for the 'luxury' are themselves part of the fcukwit culture?
When it ends in the waste of all that protein while people in the world starve - I think so.
Bon Voyage,
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And they're also not used for steaks! LOL! I'm guessing somebody grew up a city boy!
Vibes,
My fingers? Probably not, but I can think of a couple tools that I've worked with that I could stand to make a million dollars each off of.
Wasting resources? Or missed opportunities? I suspect that CX refusing to haul shark fins is more about trying to polish their "image" as a caring airline than it is about standing up to something they believe in. You know as well as I do that the "new Chinese Culture" is all about money, and we capitalize on it every which way we can. Every first class seat sale is an example of that. Is first class really worth twice the price of business, or is just another means for the self-loving to show off their wealth?
Dairy cattle are not an endangered species.
Vibes,
the point is if human fingers were selling for $100,000 a pop would you cut yours off and then die of septicaemia so the rest of your 'cheap' and 'useless' carcass was left to rot?
And an airline that wastes its resources transporting this around the world in a velvet lined box to people around the world paying thousands of dollars for the 'luxury' are themselves part of the fcukwit culture?
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Anyone who is appalled with the shark fin trade, but gladly eats steaks and pork chops is a hypocrite living in denial in my opinion. Don't agree? I suggest you watch this video:
If the link doesn't work, then search for "slaughterhouse how to kill animals" to see the video.
I grew up on a pig farm, and later a beef cattle farm with a slaughter house next to it. My best friend in grade school lived on a chicken farm, so I spent a fair amount of time working there as well. I've witnessed about half the stuff that you see in the video (gladly not the chicks being thrown into the meat grinder, though -- that's especially nasty!). Unfortunately, it's real, and it's just what happens behind the scenes getting your meat to the grocery store (where your wife picks it up all nicely wrapped in plastic in her SUV.)
Did I like castrating pigs with a pocket knife, or dragging a bawling heifer by a nose-clamp into the blood-soaked kill-room at the slaughter house? Heck no! You'd have to be a cold-hearted psycho to enjoy that, but it was a dirty job that had to be done.
So, excuse me if I roll my eyes when you or Gordon Ramsey protest the shark fin trade while your steak is cooking on the Bar-B!
If the link doesn't work, then search for "slaughterhouse how to kill animals" to see the video.
I grew up on a pig farm, and later a beef cattle farm with a slaughter house next to it. My best friend in grade school lived on a chicken farm, so I spent a fair amount of time working there as well. I've witnessed about half the stuff that you see in the video (gladly not the chicks being thrown into the meat grinder, though -- that's especially nasty!). Unfortunately, it's real, and it's just what happens behind the scenes getting your meat to the grocery store (where your wife picks it up all nicely wrapped in plastic in her SUV.)
Did I like castrating pigs with a pocket knife, or dragging a bawling heifer by a nose-clamp into the blood-soaked kill-room at the slaughter house? Heck no! You'd have to be a cold-hearted psycho to enjoy that, but it was a dirty job that had to be done.
So, excuse me if I roll my eyes when you or Gordon Ramsey protest the shark fin trade while your steak is cooking on the Bar-B!
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