RT TIPS and STRATEGIES
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RT TIPS and STRATEGIES
Hello all,
Compiling route specific notes. Looking for useful tips and tricks on radio telephony procedures for CX routes. Strategies for dealing with the not so fluent controller. VHF, HF, Oceanic etc.
Cheers
Compiling route specific notes. Looking for useful tips and tricks on radio telephony procedures for CX routes. Strategies for dealing with the not so fluent controller. VHF, HF, Oceanic etc.
Cheers
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Why the F8ck would you care? If you call em twice on hf and they don't respond go back to reading the paper, doing your log book or playing angry birds...theres is nothing I hate worse than some ****** broadcasting to feckin' Calcutta 20 times... who give a f8ck.. just move on.
My take on this thus far and that's not very far of course . . .
AAIGUY has a valid point and Dan might on reflection see that
'training' is not confined to the C and T corridors of the company but
is in a sense universal. I've no comment on the merits or o/wise of the first
posters project as I have been away from the scene for years but I flew
often when in harness with such as AAIGUY and they were generally
endowed with uncommon common sense here endeth . .. . .
AAIGUY has a valid point and Dan might on reflection see that
'training' is not confined to the C and T corridors of the company but
is in a sense universal. I've no comment on the merits or o/wise of the first
posters project as I have been away from the scene for years but I flew
often when in harness with such as AAIGUY and they were generally
endowed with uncommon common sense here endeth . .. . .
Some great advice there from Silberfuchs.
I would add the following:
1. Keep it simple and stick to standard ICAO phraseology, especially when talking to controllers whose first language isn't English and/or when talking on HF.
2. When speaking on HF, talk slowly, 'deliberately' and a bit louder than you normally would. HF is often crap and the radio operators have as much trouble hearing us as we do hearing them through all the background noise and chatter.
I would add the following:
1. Keep it simple and stick to standard ICAO phraseology, especially when talking to controllers whose first language isn't English and/or when talking on HF.
2. When speaking on HF, talk slowly, 'deliberately' and a bit louder than you normally would. HF is often crap and the radio operators have as much trouble hearing us as we do hearing them through all the background noise and chatter.
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or is our training now conducted on PPRuNe?
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Speak slowly, annunciate clearly, use only standard R/T, and be adaptive to the ATC environment you are in.
And by all means avoid the "Chuck Yeager" slang and loose pronunciation endemic among many crews....from the US in particular. I say this as a North American myself. I am frequently appalled and embarrassed at the R/T I hear from my fellow North Americans. Invariably, the poor Asian controller doesn't even respond, and I can picture him/her gobsmacked and confused as to what they just heard. This leads to repeat transmissions that just clog the ether.
And by all means avoid the "Chuck Yeager" slang and loose pronunciation endemic among many crews....from the US in particular. I say this as a North American myself. I am frequently appalled and embarrassed at the R/T I hear from my fellow North Americans. Invariably, the poor Asian controller doesn't even respond, and I can picture him/her gobsmacked and confused as to what they just heard. This leads to repeat transmissions that just clog the ether.
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When getting your airway clearance on the ground, particularly in India & Malaysia, have the CFP page 3 open (ICAO ATS Flight Plan) where the departure and all the airways are already written.
When they start rattling off airways really fast, normally they say the first 2 or 3, you can just tick them off and read it back from the CFP.
Normally the only thing that is different would be the SID, the airways are normally as planned.
All you are doing is putting ticks on the CFP, and takes no time at all.
Unless you're one of our trainers who hates anyone else putting marks on the CFP!
WP
When they start rattling off airways really fast, normally they say the first 2 or 3, you can just tick them off and read it back from the CFP.
Normally the only thing that is different would be the SID, the airways are normally as planned.
All you are doing is putting ticks on the CFP, and takes no time at all.
Unless you're one of our trainers who hates anyone else putting marks on the CFP!
WP
Dont sweat it, I'm sure your Captain will have been there before and can help you along no matter where you are in the world 
A couple of things that annoy me:
1/ Calling "Fully ready" or "ready on reaching" or "Ready in turn"
2/ "The Cathay…"
3/ Continually addressing the call sign of the station being used, e.g. "HK ground CX 123 Bay E3 req pushback" and then next call "HK Ground CX 123 Taxi" You don't need to address them each and every call, only first contact or when there has been a time lag between calls or on HF.
minor stuff really, but still a little annoying
p.s. In Oz you can use the phraseology "Cathay one seventy three" if you like ( and not the usual Cathay 173 )
A couple of things that annoy me:
1/ Calling "Fully ready" or "ready on reaching" or "Ready in turn"
2/ "The Cathay…"
3/ Continually addressing the call sign of the station being used, e.g. "HK ground CX 123 Bay E3 req pushback" and then next call "HK Ground CX 123 Taxi" You don't need to address them each and every call, only first contact or when there has been a time lag between calls or on HF.
minor stuff really, but still a little annoying
p.s. In Oz you can use the phraseology "Cathay one seventy three" if you like
( and not the usual Cathay 173 )
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nitpicker,
"1/ Calling "Fully ready" or "ready on reaching" or "Ready in turn"
So what do you say when the AIP requires you to state "fully ready" (as below), or do you pick and choose which bits of an AIP / aerodrome briefing to comply with?
This example from Amsterdam,
• When ready to push, advise start up: gate number, ATIS code and “fully ready”.
"1/ Calling "Fully ready" or "ready on reaching" or "Ready in turn"
So what do you say when the AIP requires you to state "fully ready" (as below), or do you pick and choose which bits of an AIP / aerodrome briefing to comply with?
This example from Amsterdam,
• When ready to push, advise start up: gate number, ATIS code and “fully ready”.
you don't have to use the words "fully ready"
I mean can you be "partly ready" anyway????
Ready is ready……..
"Cathay 123 half ready on reaching in turn"…
If that's what the Dutchies want then fine…...
I mean can you be "partly ready" anyway????
Ready is ready……..
"Cathay 123 half ready on reaching in turn"…
If that's what the Dutchies want then fine…...
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Not just the Dutch, but many EU airports including the UK. It is standard RT phraseology to report "fully ready" that is their words that they are requiring to be used. So why argue the point?
If they did not wish for you to state "fully ready" then they would just say to report "ready"
If they did not wish for you to state "fully ready" then they would just say to report "ready"
Can a women be fully pregnant? or is she simply just pregnant?
Is it possible to be partly pregnant?
yawn………
we could do this all day but i'm half ready to walk out the door for lunch, maybe i can only walk out the door if i'm fully ready????
Is it possible to be partly pregnant?
yawn………
we could do this all day but i'm half ready to walk out the door for lunch, maybe i can only walk out the door if i'm fully ready????
Sorry mate.
look at the UK CAA CAP 413 RT document chapter 4 top of page 6 Item 1.6.4
It seems you don't have to actually report Ready in the UK at all, ATC may ask you to report Ready however.
They certainly don't use the word "fully" anywhere that I can see.
here ya go bud, fill ya fully full boots
http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/CAP413.pdf
look at the UK CAA CAP 413 RT document chapter 4 top of page 6 Item 1.6.4
It seems you don't have to actually report Ready in the UK at all, ATC may ask you to report Ready however.
They certainly don't use the word "fully" anywhere that I can see.
here ya go bud, fill ya fully full boots
http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/CAP413.pdf
I’m with nitpicker330 on this. While I understand it is in many cases a requirement in many EU countries and in the UK, it is a pointless waste of an already overstretched VHF environment. You are either ready or your not.
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Christ sake guys,
You are moaning about the use of an extra word "fully" when our northerly neighbours are using 121.5 to discuss the price of pork and how they fixed their bicycle.
Where is the 121.5 police when you need them!
You are moaning about the use of an extra word "fully" when our northerly neighbours are using 121.5 to discuss the price of pork and how they fixed their bicycle.
Where is the 121.5 police when you need them!