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There you go, Route...all done.
By the way, sounding a bit Australian there yourself......Mate! Perhaps, whilst you are happy to take potshots at the septics, as you so eloquently call them, you are less tolerant of any attacks upon your own fair race?
Have a Merry one!
By the way, sounding a bit Australian there yourself......Mate! Perhaps, whilst you are happy to take potshots at the septics, as you so eloquently call them, you are less tolerant of any attacks upon your own fair race?
Have a Merry one!
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There are varying degrees of competence amongst the general flight crew populus but to single out a particular nationality as exhibiting degrees of unsuitability to a particular environment speaks more about the author than the subject matter. This comment is directed at you Dan. I would wager you confine those comments to an forum that grants you anoniminity. A dose of maturity would go a long way to curing your ills.
The same can be said for you Wraith. I would encourage AC to find out your identity and persue you. I do not blame either of you two "gentlemen" for your comments but I do hold our recruitment criteria to account. Give it some thought . As a general comment, I tire of flying with children. If the travelling public knew some of the history of those that inhabit forward of the flight deck door they would insist on taking the train.
The same can be said for you Wraith. I would encourage AC to find out your identity and persue you. I do not blame either of you two "gentlemen" for your comments but I do hold our recruitment criteria to account. Give it some thought . As a general comment, I tire of flying with children. If the travelling public knew some of the history of those that inhabit forward of the flight deck door they would insist on taking the train.
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Well put Firewall, It also worries me I probably fly with several children so immature that would choose a name like c*mguzz*** of J*zmonkey. Agree that there are people of all nationalaties that let down the majority of their countrymen when it comes to manners and abilities in the flight deck. It is simply illogical to generalize on this one. One of the best pilots I ever flew with does not have any of his nationality employed in CX and would fly the pants of every one of us, even the self confessed intelligent one, CXorsist
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Firewall,
This is an anonymous site, and anonymous for a reason. I don't see you, or Routetuner or anyone else posting your real identities when you post things that are less than complimentary....Route calling Americans Septics etc.....
Also, for defamation to stand...and incidentally it is libel in this case as it is written....it has to show malice and also the statement has to be false. Firstly, there was no malice in what I have posted, and also there has been nothing false. I would advise you to simply "ask around" on your flights and see the response you get. Ask the CC as well, as they have a lot on Facebook about their experiences. There is no smoke without fire, and if you should decide to step down from your lofty perch up there on your high horse and "ask around" I think you will discover that there is A LOT of fire.
As for pursuing (spelling!) people, well, as previously mentioned, this is an ANONYMOUS forum. Perhaps you and Route should also be pursued when you post stuff here too, also enjoying the privileges of anonymity?
Anyway, I am sure both you and Route leapt to the defence and protection of another of our colourful characters when Toss Parker came to these boards? Oh, that's right.....you didn't! I guess your morality comes in fits and starts!
Anyway, life really is too short so that's that.....
I apologize to you, as well, on behalf of those of us childish enough to harbour our own differing opinions and not able to reach your soaring levels of condescension.
This is an anonymous site, and anonymous for a reason. I don't see you, or Routetuner or anyone else posting your real identities when you post things that are less than complimentary....Route calling Americans Septics etc.....
Also, for defamation to stand...and incidentally it is libel in this case as it is written....it has to show malice and also the statement has to be false. Firstly, there was no malice in what I have posted, and also there has been nothing false. I would advise you to simply "ask around" on your flights and see the response you get. Ask the CC as well, as they have a lot on Facebook about their experiences. There is no smoke without fire, and if you should decide to step down from your lofty perch up there on your high horse and "ask around" I think you will discover that there is A LOT of fire.
As for pursuing (spelling!) people, well, as previously mentioned, this is an ANONYMOUS forum. Perhaps you and Route should also be pursued when you post stuff here too, also enjoying the privileges of anonymity?
Anyway, I am sure both you and Route leapt to the defence and protection of another of our colourful characters when Toss Parker came to these boards? Oh, that's right.....you didn't! I guess your morality comes in fits and starts!
Anyway, life really is too short so that's that.....
I apologize to you, as well, on behalf of those of us childish enough to harbour our own differing opinions and not able to reach your soaring levels of condescension.
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I am quite happy to use rote RT when I feel the listener is English-challenged. However as long as the message gets across, I couldn't care less... just keep it short and don't sound like an @ss or an idiot.
On another note, can we stop with "Q" codes? I certainly am not loyal to the friggin' queen. Altimeter will do just fine.
On another note, can we stop with "Q" codes? I certainly am not loyal to the friggin' queen. Altimeter will do just fine.
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Hmm...
QDM = inbound course
Same number of syllables so what's the logic in using it in the 21st century?
QDR = bearing from or radial
Same number of syllables...
Methinks it's because the British invented Q codes in 1909 and, just like we still do things because that's how they were done on the (...fill in the blank, DC-4, Convair, TriStar, Classic...) we should still use Q codes because every time a Brit discovers a Yank who doesn't know what QDM is he can then write it in his ERAS!
QDM = inbound course
Same number of syllables so what's the logic in using it in the 21st century?
QDR = bearing from or radial
Same number of syllables...
Methinks it's because the British invented Q codes in 1909 and, just like we still do things because that's how they were done on the (...fill in the blank, DC-4, Convair, TriStar, Classic...) we should still use Q codes because every time a Brit discovers a Yank who doesn't know what QDM is he can then write it in his ERAS!
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On another note, can we stop with "Q" codes? I certainly am not loyal to the friggin' queen. Altimeter will do just fine.
Having said that, when I fly in the US I use "altimeter" rather than QNH for pressure settings, statute miles rather than kilometres for visibility and feet rather than metres for RVR. Likewise, I fly metric levels and altitudes when in Chinese or Russian airspace, both countries using Q codes for altimetry. Perhaps after you've finished your letter to ICAO you should write to the Russian and Chinese authorities and tell them to "get with damn' program".
STP
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I am by no means suggesting that we are using "Q" codes because of CX, I am just saying that it is an antiquated system that we should be done with... along with imperial/customary units.
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So you think the world should change to flying in metres BBB? I think human brains seem to like tens and zeros, and 1000' seems to be about right from both a simple and a safety perspective. I'd vote to stick with feet.
As for QNH being replaced with altimeter I'd vote for QNH, and not just because I'm getting long in the tooth! IMHO, QNH sounds the same when spoken by any English speaking nationality but the same cannot be said for altimeter. Altimeter also has more silly bulls, particularly if you pronounce the decimal point; with the added possible confusion that some nationalities refuse to use the correct ICAO for decimal.
I agree that long held conventions should be looked at every now and then to see if they can be improved but these two aren't broke so probably don't need fixing.
As for QNH being replaced with altimeter I'd vote for QNH, and not just because I'm getting long in the tooth! IMHO, QNH sounds the same when spoken by any English speaking nationality but the same cannot be said for altimeter. Altimeter also has more silly bulls, particularly if you pronounce the decimal point; with the added possible confusion that some nationalities refuse to use the correct ICAO for decimal.
I agree that long held conventions should be looked at every now and then to see if they can be improved but these two aren't broke so probably don't need fixing.
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Routetuner,
I'm not naming names. In fact your learned colleague was the one who put actual initials so why don't you have a go at him? And why aren't you equally incensed by Toss Parker?
Anyway, just ask and most people know who the oddballs are on a fleet, it's not a national secret! Or just ask the CC!
Anyway, this is boring now. And as for the original post about Ozzies, whilst you are proof that there are some painful ones...!!!!...most of them are absolutely great! Same can be said of any nationality. If a guy or gal is painful to fly with it is because that's who they are and NOT where they're from.
Just my opinion anyway.
I'm not naming names. In fact your learned colleague was the one who put actual initials so why don't you have a go at him? And why aren't you equally incensed by Toss Parker?
Anyway, just ask and most people know who the oddballs are on a fleet, it's not a national secret! Or just ask the CC!
Anyway, this is boring now. And as for the original post about Ozzies, whilst you are proof that there are some painful ones...!!!!...most of them are absolutely great! Same can be said of any nationality. If a guy or gal is painful to fly with it is because that's who they are and NOT where they're from.
Just my opinion anyway.
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Bet you won't put names up again will you!
I think you are the painful one to fly with not me.
It's AUSSIES ( OI OI OI) for your spelling lesson.
Look for ward to catching up with you on a flight one day!
Cheers matey!
I think you are the painful one to fly with not me.
It's AUSSIES ( OI OI OI) for your spelling lesson.
Look for ward to catching up with you on a flight one day!
Cheers matey!
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Seriously Route, stop being so precious. And I think you'll find that whilst I haven't actually put up any names, many others have, amongst the most notable being Toss Parker.....and I haven't seen you ranting against those....
I really can't be bothered arguing this anymore, and I'm not worried whether I fly with you or not. The fact that you have to send such subliminal threats says much for YOUR character. And if you would be that unprofessional on the flightdeck as to try to "get someone back" for annoying you on a forum such as this then perhaps it is you that lends credence to the original poster's opinion.
Trust me, though, I am not intimidated by you or your outdated Australian male machismo.
I really can't be bothered arguing this anymore, and I'm not worried whether I fly with you or not. The fact that you have to send such subliminal threats says much for YOUR character. And if you would be that unprofessional on the flightdeck as to try to "get someone back" for annoying you on a forum such as this then perhaps it is you that lends credence to the original poster's opinion.
Trust me, though, I am not intimidated by you or your outdated Australian male machismo.
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Route,
I've searched that master roster and nowhere on it does the name I put appear. Besides the fact that my post was in humour and not malice.
But please feel free to continue dragging this ridiculous little spat out. PMS is a biatch!!!
I've searched that master roster and nowhere on it does the name I put appear. Besides the fact that my post was in humour and not malice.
But please feel free to continue dragging this ridiculous little spat out. PMS is a biatch!!!
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This whole nit-picking mouth-music tendancy has really only developed in the last 10 - 15 years or so IMHO. Pretty much coincident with the rapid market-share growth of Airbus, and LCC's.
Airbus philosophy is to engineer the pilot out of the system as much as possible - and to rigidly over regulate everything they could not take away.
The LCC's introduced a new type of pilot to the market - low time, rapidly promoted callow youths.
Both these phenomena have combined to create a new generation of pilots who know little about AIRMANSHIP and instead know everything about mouth music and nit picking nonsense. This is what THEY now regard as airmanship.
Most of them can rhyme off the FCOM, but can't fly their way out of a paper bag.
As for the Aussies....a law unto themselves. I first encountered their anality in the mid 80's on B732's, an aircraft built like a brick ****house and with the manoeuverability of a fighter. A simple joy to fly - and perhaps the last real 'pilots airplane'. Yet they still managed to make flying it into a depressingly tangled mess of BS procedures and verbal diahorrea.
Even still - a few of them could at least fly the beast back then.
Not much need for that particular skill nowadays so long as you can learn off your P's & Q's well.
Airbus philosophy is to engineer the pilot out of the system as much as possible - and to rigidly over regulate everything they could not take away.
The LCC's introduced a new type of pilot to the market - low time, rapidly promoted callow youths.
Both these phenomena have combined to create a new generation of pilots who know little about AIRMANSHIP and instead know everything about mouth music and nit picking nonsense. This is what THEY now regard as airmanship.
Most of them can rhyme off the FCOM, but can't fly their way out of a paper bag.
As for the Aussies....a law unto themselves. I first encountered their anality in the mid 80's on B732's, an aircraft built like a brick ****house and with the manoeuverability of a fighter. A simple joy to fly - and perhaps the last real 'pilots airplane'. Yet they still managed to make flying it into a depressingly tangled mess of BS procedures and verbal diahorrea.
Even still - a few of them could at least fly the beast back then.
Not much need for that particular skill nowadays so long as you can learn off your P's & Q's well.