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Old 23rd Sep 2011, 21:40
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cathay cruise pilot pay

could CX pilot share with us their pay? What do cruise pilots/FO/Cpatains earn on the B scale. Do you know the pay on the latest C scale?

thanks
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Old 23rd Sep 2011, 22:17
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C scale is B scale without expat benefits.

Guys with expat benefits earn a minimum of 750,000HK$/year more than those without. If you are also sending multiple kids to expensive schools overseas add another 300,000/year onto it.

This is the reason CX used to get loads of overly qualified applicants and now are finding it hard to fill seats.
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Old 24th Sep 2011, 05:20
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The cost of kids overseas at an expensive school, is the entire cost, remember local education allowance onlys pays for HKG schooling. If you wish to keep your kids overseas you are still up for the total cost yourself.
That is C scale without any education allowance.
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Old 24th Sep 2011, 09:38
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So should I consider that current Second officers make around 75,000? Is this inclusive of accomodation allowances? Thanks.
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Old 24th Sep 2011, 10:44
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make that about 50K p.a. ... including everything. Good luck, because you'll need 50% of that just to cover the rent for a 50 m2 apartment in the middle of nowhere.
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Old 24th Sep 2011, 10:50
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Amazed

I'm always amazed at how easily pilots on this web site publish info about salaries etc
If you asked a doctor or lawyer how much he earns do you seriously think that you would get an answer . I think not
What we earn has got nothing to do with members of the general public so why do we keep pushing that information out there for anyone who asks

As for the education allowances, it was your choice to have 3 kids . not criticizing! just a mention . But the fact that the company pays more to an individual who has a large family than say a bachelor for doing the same job is somehow wrong. SO to complain that they don't pay for the bus service is a bit rich. The education allowance was designed to offset the extra costs of sending your kids to school in HK or overseas not to reimburse you the full amount.

Okay now you can have a go !!!!
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Old 24th Sep 2011, 13:05
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Oriental is ABSOLUTELY right. Would you please at least attempt to show some restraint and discretion.....and maybe some common sense.....before blindly posting earnings on here. Why don't you just copy and paste your payslip on here?
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Old 24th Sep 2011, 14:53
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I'll tell you one thing, employers love having company minded individuals who'll restrain from telling how much they make because it makes it much harder for us to decide whether or not we're getting a reasonable deal. And you can be fed much easier the propaganda which consists in saying we should cut pilot pay because we're expensive and times are tough.... for one thing, we're all much cheaper than the workforce 10 years ago since we're flying more, sometimes much more....
My 2 cent on why I think it's ok to say how much you earn.
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Old 24th Sep 2011, 16:35
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What???

You guys are a bit outdated hey?

How bout you tell the company not to post how much a FO gets on the recruitment site???

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Old 24th Sep 2011, 18:13
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HK$

FBOZH, your statement about a salary is completely wrong!

The quoted salary is in HK$. The cost of living is in HK$, nothing to do with .

It has been said before on other threads that what sounds decent when quoted in or is nowhere near the equivalent spending power in HK$. This is one of the most expensive cities in the world. It's a fact, nothing is cheap.

BIG expense no. 1: housing.

because you'll need 50% of that just to cover the rent for a 50 m2 apartment in the middle of nowhere.
Pretty much sums it up.

If you meet the experience requirements that would have permitted you to apply for a DESO position on the previous expat terms, then don't sell yourself short. The "forgivable loan" is the equivalent of about 27 months of housing allowance, assuming that you don't need to spend any of it in their training machine. With retirement age of 65, that's a long time that you are here without housing allowance, and struggling to save enough to leave.

On the issue of 27 months, how long do you need to stay employed before they will totally "forgive" the loan? A wee bit longer than 27 months, I can assure you.

Add in the fact that you will pay tax on that cash gift at some point. Housing isn't the only benefit you'll miss out on, there's a whole lot more to the expat package, than just housing. The concept of the expat package was to attract qualified people to move from their home country. That hasn't changed.

Just 2 numbers to remember - 27 months, and 65 years of age. Think carefully.
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Old 24th Sep 2011, 20:03
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Once again:

Doctor, lawyers and most other professionals, nor any others with very expensive and specialized training, do not follow the same career paths as major airline pilots.

Also, major airline pilots must obtain sponsored training/experience (very, very few cases, with a long apprenticeship of many years) or arrive with previously gained experience (5-20 years, usually at great sacrifice and investment) to get a starting-level airline pilot job....and then stick with that low paying starting job at the same company for many years (10-30) to make the choice worthwhile.

Good doctors and lawyers (etc.) can finish school and sell their abilities to the highest bidder, for as long as they wish, and keep trading up or start their own practice with an office and maybe some necessary but affordable equipment (unlike 50-300M USD airplanes). They do not risk their entire careers and futures on the one company they choose for their first good, potentially/hopefully long-term job, the way pilots do with the airline seniority-based system. And, too frequently it doesn't turn out to last that long anyway.

After even just a few years, the cost of changing jobs can be extreme when one has to start again at the bottom of another seniority list.

Educating newcomers about the reality of the continuously eroding package is one way to stop or reverse the erosion, and the only way to do that is in public.

Also, pilots are not ashamed of or embarrassed by their high value to employers and customers.

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Old 24th Sep 2011, 20:30
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If you asked a doctor or lawyer how much he earns do you seriously think that you would get an answer . I think not.
Because most lawyers or doctors are not on a unified pay scale, pilots are - except for the few exceptions... *eyes wonder off to CX pay scales*...

And for the most part, pilot pay is "public knowledge" whether we want it or not; see it for yourself, for example

Airline Pilot Central

or

Pilot Jobs Network
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Old 26th Sep 2011, 04:56
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What's so comical to me is that the "unified scale", introduced 4 years ago, was called "C-scale" at the time. Granted, that only really applied to those pilots who were/are on bases. Are we not on D-scale now? Anyone? Bueller?

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Old 27th Sep 2011, 09:10
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Nothing to do with the topic, but I am still looking for the Euro symbol on my laptop
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Old 27th Sep 2011, 09:33
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Hear hear olde chaps! Let's forgo any truth-telling on the internet.

Keep salaries secret so more will apply without knowing what they're getting into.
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Old 27th Sep 2011, 09:35
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is euro a greek symbol by any chance beuler
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Old 27th Sep 2011, 22:48
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Get a Mac

If you're using a mac, try shift-option-2
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Old 5th Oct 2011, 19:46
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What is the "average" time to Command these days at CX ?
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Old 5th Oct 2011, 20:10
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11-12 years.
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