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The main thing to consider is that none of you will be able to deny knowledge of Christ and his sacrifice, come the day you will be confronted with 'your' choice accordingly
God has been giving mankind the benefit of his Love and patience for two thousand years. I suggest that that period of history is rapidly coming to a close.
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How can you base the fact of whether god exists upon what his followers wrote in their book. Of course the bible is going to say how wonderful your god is, it's a sales pitch after all. It will say Christianity is the oldest, the best, heals more, you name it and your religion will apparently always be best.
It's trying to extract money out of people, 10% 20% 30% of their income in most cases, so it needs to get it's message across.
Can we talk about how god created T-Rex and man on the same day and T-Rex had sharp teeth so it could eat coconuts because it wasn't actually a carnivore.
And then the devil created carbon dating and christians have been trying to destroy every carbon dating machine ever since.
These christians who know the bible backwards, can quote any part of it, and have 5 wives with the youngest aged 14, they know the bible better than anyone on here. Does that make them the best christians?
How can you base the fact of whether god exists upon what his followers wrote in their book. Of course the bible is going to say how wonderful your god is, it's a sales pitch after all. It will say Christianity is the oldest, the best, heals more, you name it and your religion will apparently always be best.
It's trying to extract money out of people, 10% 20% 30% of their income in most cases, so it needs to get it's message across.
Can we talk about how god created T-Rex and man on the same day and T-Rex had sharp teeth so it could eat coconuts because it wasn't actually a carnivore.
And then the devil created carbon dating and christians have been trying to destroy every carbon dating machine ever since.
These christians who know the bible backwards, can quote any part of it, and have 5 wives with the youngest aged 14, they know the bible better than anyone on here. Does that make them the best christians?
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You're asking how 'Christians can base their belief on something that's written in a book'. Simple answer: they don't 'base' their belief on what's written in a book. Their belief is based on the workings of two things: 1) the Holy Spirit, and 2) Faith. It is those two things that give us certainty and a peace. I began my life as an atheist, but eventually became curious about the way the world worked and why we did things the way we did. Jesus says, 'Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and will dine with him, and he with Me'. Once you sincerely seek God, his Holy Spirit which inhabits this world today enters you and reveals the nature and reality of God to you.
Simply put, the living God is there for every man and woman, but you have to be open hearted in seeking him. Once you do that, he creates lifelong assurance and certainty of his presence, power and eternal love for you. If you are not willing to ask God to reveal himself, openly and with humility, then no amount of 'searching' for another answer in life will succeed. Instead, you will go through life being blind to the very power that created and loved you. I cannot think of a sadder reality than that.
The Bible is God's word revealed to man. His spirit and my faith are the power that reveal himself to me. If you do not possess either, it is as though you are blind and will not see. That is the key difference between belief and being lost.
Simply put, the living God is there for every man and woman, but you have to be open hearted in seeking him. Once you do that, he creates lifelong assurance and certainty of his presence, power and eternal love for you. If you are not willing to ask God to reveal himself, openly and with humility, then no amount of 'searching' for another answer in life will succeed. Instead, you will go through life being blind to the very power that created and loved you. I cannot think of a sadder reality than that.
The Bible is God's word revealed to man. His spirit and my faith are the power that reveal himself to me. If you do not possess either, it is as though you are blind and will not see. That is the key difference between belief and being lost.
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AP, typical unfounded gobbledeegook, holy spirit - yeah right! Where? Mystical experiences of spirit are not just limited to your Brand of belief - try to acknowledge that many other believers have similar entities, manifestations of efral things and thru this TRY to grapple with the idea you might have the wrong one. Better still read about psychology of the human mind and gain an understanding of your supposed spirit experience. It is Beyond belief.
Faith? We flogged this out before. It's an oxymoron, belief is accepting something WITHOUT evidence.
Again you dive straight into your book of books to support your claim, which is totally unrelated AND issue another threat IF we don't believe! Don't you get it! Its a Total disconnect from all reason. Childishly, you are saying,"my god is better than your god, nah nah nah nah ( poke tongue here)."
Why don't you accept the Shahada of Islam, " to know and believe without suspicion," equally valid claim that this is also the word of god. The revealed book. Sorry, is that a plank in your eye there?
At least that got it half right in saying " lā ʾilāha..." ==> " there is no god..."
Talk about pollution. Go and refresh your mind, your API (Against Poor Infedels) is registering +200. Your bigotry is showing.
Faith? We flogged this out before. It's an oxymoron, belief is accepting something WITHOUT evidence.
Again you dive straight into your book of books to support your claim, which is totally unrelated AND issue another threat IF we don't believe! Don't you get it! Its a Total disconnect from all reason. Childishly, you are saying,"my god is better than your god, nah nah nah nah ( poke tongue here)."
Why don't you accept the Shahada of Islam, " to know and believe without suspicion," equally valid claim that this is also the word of god. The revealed book. Sorry, is that a plank in your eye there?
At least that got it half right in saying " lā ʾilāha..." ==> " there is no god..."
Talk about pollution. Go and refresh your mind, your API (Against Poor Infedels) is registering +200. Your bigotry is showing.
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Air Profit, seriously, have you sought medical help? Tremendous progress has been made through science to help those with mental problems, and the stigma of mental illness is rapidly going away.
Below are rhetorical questions, not items for debate!
Holy Spirit? Seriously, you believe in invisible ghosts of god in your imaginary supernatural world and expect others to respect your thoughts and opinions?
Faith? You know that faith just means believing something without any evidence while ignoring all the actual evidence that contradicts the thing you want to keep believing, right? You know all religious faiths are equally flawed, since you dismiss all the 1000's of other ones you don't like for the same reasons I reject yours, right?
If Christians don't base their believe in a book, then why do they keep reading it, teaching it, quoting it and filling hotel rooms with it?
If you are curious about how the world works, take a science-based class like engineering, biology, astronomy, geology, mathematics, physics, chemistry, anything...but don't rely on story-book created ghosts and personal choices to believe supernatural superstitions without evidence, please...Are we trying to move back into the Dark Ages?
Again, just cause some story book says "Jesus" or anyone said anything, this is meaningless and silly to include in any argument. Repeat: If I claim Santa Claus is real because it's in the story book, does that make him real? Etc.! Come on, man, think! Think!
God's love? Power? Etc.? Tell that to his innocent (they didn't eat the apple!) and faithful, loyal, open, humble, belief-filled followers who are being raped right now. And beaten. And who are sick and in pain. And starving in India/Peru/Ethiopia/etc....His "love" and "power" sure aren't impressive to any of us paying attention to the results of this great love and power. Now that's a sad reality. However, it is science that keeps technology progressing, curing diseases and prolonging better lives, not faith.
The Bible is a story book. Get over it! And it's a really, really bad one at that, with Bronze Age nonsense, never ending errors and countless contradictions. That's some awesome word of god those guys penned for him!
Those of us that live in the real world are not lost (see list of logical fallacies) but rather we are the ones that are not afraid to enjoy and learn about and experience reality, and live much richer, fuller, better lives for it, free from the ancient superstitions written down by poorly educated, uninformed, Bronze Age people! Does anyone want a doctor performing surgery using a book from the 1980's? How about the 1900's? The 1800's? The 1700's? How about the 1100's? Or the 600's? Or the 200's? How about the 100's? Come on, man, think! Think!!!
Have a nice day!
Below are rhetorical questions, not items for debate!
Holy Spirit? Seriously, you believe in invisible ghosts of god in your imaginary supernatural world and expect others to respect your thoughts and opinions?
Faith? You know that faith just means believing something without any evidence while ignoring all the actual evidence that contradicts the thing you want to keep believing, right? You know all religious faiths are equally flawed, since you dismiss all the 1000's of other ones you don't like for the same reasons I reject yours, right?
If Christians don't base their believe in a book, then why do they keep reading it, teaching it, quoting it and filling hotel rooms with it?
If you are curious about how the world works, take a science-based class like engineering, biology, astronomy, geology, mathematics, physics, chemistry, anything...but don't rely on story-book created ghosts and personal choices to believe supernatural superstitions without evidence, please...Are we trying to move back into the Dark Ages?
Again, just cause some story book says "Jesus" or anyone said anything, this is meaningless and silly to include in any argument. Repeat: If I claim Santa Claus is real because it's in the story book, does that make him real? Etc.! Come on, man, think! Think!
God's love? Power? Etc.? Tell that to his innocent (they didn't eat the apple!) and faithful, loyal, open, humble, belief-filled followers who are being raped right now. And beaten. And who are sick and in pain. And starving in India/Peru/Ethiopia/etc....His "love" and "power" sure aren't impressive to any of us paying attention to the results of this great love and power. Now that's a sad reality. However, it is science that keeps technology progressing, curing diseases and prolonging better lives, not faith.
The Bible is a story book. Get over it! And it's a really, really bad one at that, with Bronze Age nonsense, never ending errors and countless contradictions. That's some awesome word of god those guys penned for him!
Those of us that live in the real world are not lost (see list of logical fallacies) but rather we are the ones that are not afraid to enjoy and learn about and experience reality, and live much richer, fuller, better lives for it, free from the ancient superstitions written down by poorly educated, uninformed, Bronze Age people! Does anyone want a doctor performing surgery using a book from the 1980's? How about the 1900's? The 1800's? The 1700's? How about the 1100's? Or the 600's? Or the 200's? How about the 100's? Come on, man, think! Think!!!
Have a nice day!
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A dying breed
Air Prophet is an interesting and rare "type specimen" of an endangered species: a first-world educated, religious delusionary.
He and his ilk are, as evidenced by this thread, in the throes of a generational "last gasp" of proselytizing their nonsensical, and let's be frank, just plain stupid ideas. Their worldview wears a burqa so narrow in it's field of view as to deny broad swathes of REALITY, such as evolution and fundamental aspects of geomorphology and cosmology.
Unfortunately for religion's "misguided missiles", they weren't able to shake the virus of faith due to their relative youth and inability to reject irrationality after they passed their "indoctrination V1". For now, they stand to lose too much by publicly acknowledging the foolishness of their fairy tales: Loss of face, potential alienation from their religious social circle (the most interesting thing about Christians is how un-Christian they can be!) and the embarrassment that comes with admitting what waste of time your rantings and ravings were.
What's even more sobering is they will get front row seats in the saddest show on earth: watching their highly educated, unbiased and worldly kids drift away from their myths and fables. It's one thing to have your bigoted and anachronistic faith lampooned and ridiculed by anonymous Internet patrons - but it would be another (quite terrible) thing to see those you love the most reject the embarrassing superstitions that form the basis of your core beliefs.
Secularism, rationality and plain ole logic are (thankfully) on the rise in every civilized society. Scandanavia, probably the most secular group of countries in the world, is a beacon of peace and relative prosperity (discounting the odd right wing Christian nut job in Norway of course). Australia and New Zealand, once traditionally thought of as "Christian nations" (whatever that means!) are now comprised in the majority of secularists. In fact, religious nutters are sure to get quite a shock when the latest Oz census details are released next year revealing just how non-religious the nation is.
The reason for this is simple: we're smarter than our ancestors. Today's average 5 year old know more about their world than smartest "biblical scholar". Here's an example of dark ages logic (bear in mind this kind of reasoning took place a thousand years AFTER your magic book was written!):
He and his ilk are, as evidenced by this thread, in the throes of a generational "last gasp" of proselytizing their nonsensical, and let's be frank, just plain stupid ideas. Their worldview wears a burqa so narrow in it's field of view as to deny broad swathes of REALITY, such as evolution and fundamental aspects of geomorphology and cosmology.
Unfortunately for religion's "misguided missiles", they weren't able to shake the virus of faith due to their relative youth and inability to reject irrationality after they passed their "indoctrination V1". For now, they stand to lose too much by publicly acknowledging the foolishness of their fairy tales: Loss of face, potential alienation from their religious social circle (the most interesting thing about Christians is how un-Christian they can be!) and the embarrassment that comes with admitting what waste of time your rantings and ravings were.
What's even more sobering is they will get front row seats in the saddest show on earth: watching their highly educated, unbiased and worldly kids drift away from their myths and fables. It's one thing to have your bigoted and anachronistic faith lampooned and ridiculed by anonymous Internet patrons - but it would be another (quite terrible) thing to see those you love the most reject the embarrassing superstitions that form the basis of your core beliefs.
Secularism, rationality and plain ole logic are (thankfully) on the rise in every civilized society. Scandanavia, probably the most secular group of countries in the world, is a beacon of peace and relative prosperity (discounting the odd right wing Christian nut job in Norway of course). Australia and New Zealand, once traditionally thought of as "Christian nations" (whatever that means!) are now comprised in the majority of secularists. In fact, religious nutters are sure to get quite a shock when the latest Oz census details are released next year revealing just how non-religious the nation is.
The reason for this is simple: we're smarter than our ancestors. Today's average 5 year old know more about their world than smartest "biblical scholar". Here's an example of dark ages logic (bear in mind this kind of reasoning took place a thousand years AFTER your magic book was written!):
The reason you laugh at this nonsense is the same reason rational people laugh at your dogma. Thankfully, nowadays there is no "sacred cow" protection afforded to the dangerous religious virus that infects people's minds - and normal people don't quietly standby during it's promotion nor pretend to tolerate it's vile stupidity.
Let's finish with a fairy quote I think we can all appreciate here in Hong Kong:
"And if the one with the discharge spits on someone who is clean, then he shall wash his clothes and bathe himself in water and be unclean until the evening."
Leviticus 15
RAMEN!
