Dragonair Hong Kong A320 total hydraulic failure landing yesterday
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Dragonair Hong Kong A320 total hydraulic failure landing yesterday
Rumour from the Hong Kong refueller. Yesterday, a Dragonair A320 experienced a total loss of hydraulics after lift off at Hong Kong. Under exceedingly degraded flight control and hydraulic circumstances, the captain did a fine job in getting the aircraft safely back on the ground. Nothing mentioned apparently on Fragrant Harbour forum?
Are you sure about that? Electric trimmable horizontal stab, differential thrust and I vaguely remember something about the rudder in mechanical backup allow the aircraft to be flown with no hydraulics. I think I remember doing it in the sim ten years ago and surviving.
Not easy, but doable.
Not easy, but doable.
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I can't find any procedure for the loss of all three hydraulic systems in either FCOM 3.02 or QRH of the A320. I am open to be educated.
On the other hand, handling the loss of 2 out of 3 hydraulic systems is standard textbook stuff. Or maybe it was just the PTU which couldn't stop whining / barking.
On the other hand, handling the loss of 2 out of 3 hydraulic systems is standard textbook stuff. Or maybe it was just the PTU which couldn't stop whining / barking.
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From memory, all controls on the 330 are hydraulically actuated. No hydraulics, and like Banannas says, it's game over. There is mechanical back up control, but you still need hydraulics to actuate the surface.
Not sure if the 320 is designed the same
Not sure if the 320 is designed the same
I believe that landing using only differential thrust has been successfully demonstrated on the 320 - but I am still very skeptical about the "total hydraulic loss" as reported.
Funny, or not so funny the B727 and the 737 had / has true manual reversion to get you home with the loss of all hydraulics.
The 707 / Dc8 were always in 'manual reversion' and much heavier than any A320/21.
Airbus really is so clever..
The 707 / Dc8 were always in 'manual reversion' and much heavier than any A320/21.
Airbus really is so clever..
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Think the CP was the fat cat sat in his office with a huge smirk on his face when he heard this news. It's the same senario that is currently being practiced in the PC2 .As much as the CP is a total Wally ( well documented in these pages) expect tougher sims in KA in the future. If we could practice 4 hydraulic failures, I'm sure we would.
No doubt the flight crew notice will be out soon:
" crews are reminded that in the event of a dual hyd failure, the correct course of ecam actions should be blah blah blah... Evidence suggest a recent incident showed good crew discipline, however certain actions we omitted in the heat of the moment. The crew in question have been made aware of their lapses of judgement, and as such will only warrant an additional sim brush up followed by 4 training sectors with a senior instructor. The incident will however count towards the crews lack of knowledge of correct KA SOPs , and as such , despite a successful outcome to events, my report will remain on their permanent record"
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No doubt the flight crew notice will be out soon:
" crews are reminded that in the event of a dual hyd failure, the correct course of ecam actions should be blah blah blah... Evidence suggest a recent incident showed good crew discipline, however certain actions we omitted in the heat of the moment. The crew in question have been made aware of their lapses of judgement, and as such will only warrant an additional sim brush up followed by 4 training sectors with a senior instructor. The incident will however count towards the crews lack of knowledge of correct KA SOPs , and as such , despite a successful outcome to events, my report will remain on their permanent record"
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CP Bragonair ( I mean Dragonair)
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I've been reluctant to comment on this thread, but I will say this.
The Gentleman involved up the front did a first rate job. Full Stop.
I would NOT ever want to have that situation confront me, and whether some thing was missed, or not (I have No Idea.. no details released), I assure if it was me I WOULD have missed something. We're all human. Thats why there are 2 of us.
BHSE is on the ground, getting repaired and will fly again. All pax are safe at their destinations.
Can we learn from this. Absolutely.
Should we applaud the boys who held it together on the day. Absolutely.
The Gentleman involved up the front did a first rate job. Full Stop.
I would NOT ever want to have that situation confront me, and whether some thing was missed, or not (I have No Idea.. no details released), I assure if it was me I WOULD have missed something. We're all human. Thats why there are 2 of us.
BHSE is on the ground, getting repaired and will fly again. All pax are safe at their destinations.
Can we learn from this. Absolutely.
Should we applaud the boys who held it together on the day. Absolutely.
The CAD, being at the fore front of aviation ( well, slightly ahead of the wright brothers ) are onto this.
At your next Bragon PC you can expect :
- overweight, 115 ton for the A320
- hot weather 40C
- severe icing ( Inc inside the aerobridge )
Scenario: single engine take off, triple ADR failure, dual DMC failure, uncontrolled engine fire on the live one, raw data NDB followed by circling approach with 38kt x-wind landing.
The F/Os PC will be significantly more difficult as he has yet to prove that the force is strong in him(her)
At your next Bragon PC you can expect :
- overweight, 115 ton for the A320
- hot weather 40C
- severe icing ( Inc inside the aerobridge )
Scenario: single engine take off, triple ADR failure, dual DMC failure, uncontrolled engine fire on the live one, raw data NDB followed by circling approach with 38kt x-wind landing.
The F/Os PC will be significantly more difficult as he has yet to prove that the force is strong in him(her)
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Ok, it's time!
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Get comfy...and enjoy The Next Chapter: YouTube - ‪Bragon Air: The Next Chapter Intro‬‏
PS. Happy viewing to those in particular that seem a little stressed by all these fictional characters in a fictional world, that if they resemable some kind of person living or dead is purely co-incedental...Gee I wonder why Brutus & the Muppets take it to heart...touch a raw nerve or fact did we?
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What a totally ****** up idea about a PC do you have dualairbleed....This is absolutely BS..It will also involve the wife sitting in Y-class while the mistress is trying to give labor in the J-class while you're trying to get the phone number of the pretty girl in F-class.....My god how can you forgot this important multi task test...pls report to L2 ASAP
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AAIGuy
to answer:
Refer to my previous posting:
Shag,
yes, sure. No fingers involved.
Safe Flying!
N1 Vibes
to answer:
Can we learn from this. Absolutely.
surely it wouldn't be a part that has failed before on the KA 320 fleet that caused this incident
yes, sure. No fingers involved.
Safe Flying!
N1 Vibes