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Upgrades for the year - 1/2 many JFOs, 2x SOs

Old 19th Feb 2011, 10:19
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Upgrades for the year - 1/2 many JFOs, 2x SOs

Word on the street (or at least some STCs fresh from a training meeting) is the the latest training plan for this year has 70 Captains, 60 JFOs (down from 110-120), and 240 SOs (up from 120)!

Speculation is because of the new FTLs - 2 SO to North America and Europe. SO upgrades easily over 5 years... P1X ratings coming out.

Forget about bases in Europe and NAM for FOs. If this is true, there are now 50% too many FOs on bases.

Anyone hear anything about this?
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Old 19th Feb 2011, 11:42
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Cn 76, Jfo 60, So 249
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Old 19th Feb 2011, 12:04
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Given the new routes/extra flights to certain destinations + command retirees/resignees this year I think the Cn figure a little on the low side.
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Old 19th Feb 2011, 13:20
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Strict compliance of our contract will increase the number of upgrades needed; perhaps by as much as 50%. I doubt the AOA or CX will want to compromise the stated goals of the CX safety policy by decreasing the experience level in the cockpit. Transferring aircraft to AHK is obviously another driver of this 'rumor', and is actively in the process of being quelled.

If CX is in fact investing significantly in new aircraft, then why is any hope of upgrade at CX drying up?

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Old 19th Feb 2011, 13:27
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airplaneridesrfun, is that English you are typing? It makes no sense to read.
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Old 19th Feb 2011, 14:21
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Doesn't look like they had any problems finding enough qualified cadets (SOs) after all
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Old 20th Feb 2011, 01:21
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One would hope the revival then to push for 5th year pay scale for all of us unlucky enough to be given this possible blow. If not then I say CC should be implemented including not making the bunks and refusing the sambos.
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Old 20th Feb 2011, 02:59
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2012 coming.

Don't forget Nullaman that CX only promised to keep the KA brand until 2012. If the two 330 fleets are amalgamated then not so many CNs needed!
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Old 20th Feb 2011, 04:27
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True Dan, the sambos do provide a main meal for most SO's however the fact still remains that another scale needs to be implemented, plus the jury is still out on the Bypass pay stuff for officers on COS 08. As far as it reads the general idea amongst many is that it should be paid.
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Old 20th Feb 2011, 05:21
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The thing you need to ask yourself is: Can you really sit for 5+ years as an SO and not go insane? I think I already know my answer.
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Old 20th Feb 2011, 05:29
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Sooo ... where are all these 'S/O' 's going to come from? Will CX be ringing round all those who rejected the 'cadet' offer, cap in hand, offering housing? Who is going to resign from a job and take the risk that CX will move the goalposts again before they start? Who is going to train them all?
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Old 20th Feb 2011, 06:34
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RUMOUR has it that Cathay is considering sweetening the tea by offering a "joining bonus" of between HKD250K (long course) to HKD1M (short course) to "iCadets".

Must be a result of the overwhelming response.
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Old 20th Feb 2011, 08:18
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RUMOUR has it that Cathay is considering sweetening the tea by offering a "joining bonus".......
.....or just stick with the original SO package and stop trying to degrade the profession any further. And to think there are senior pilot managers in this company, most of whom have enjoyed financially lucrative careers, pushing for these inferior contracts. It's very sad.
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Old 20th Feb 2011, 22:48
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Another kick in the guts for the poor old SOs. You'd think management has something against them.

On the other hand...They are woefully short of their current recruitment target of 200 SOs for the year, so to achieve 250 will be unachievable without a big change to the 'package' they are currently being offered.
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Old 21st Feb 2011, 03:44
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Unless you're ex military and an ace Caribou pilot you won't be upgrading on the 777 .... I'll make sure of that.

S/O's can learn a lot from making the bunks ... Courtesy Respect & Manners ... simple attributes that make an excellent aviator.

Must dash I have some inter dates that I need to stalk.
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Old 24th Feb 2011, 06:45
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Angry

Supposedly confirmed by source in AOA and we should know more shortly...
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Old 24th Feb 2011, 07:35
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Sounds to me like negotiating leverage for RP's with the union. SK and IR at it again; watch out!
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Old 24th Feb 2011, 21:16
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Wonder how many upgrades if we still worked to 55?

But I guess we should be pleased that those of us on A Scales can take a pay cut at 55 and carry on. And those of us without commands can just take a delay in promotion without compensation. Same fruit (pineapple), just slightly different sizes.
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Old 24th Feb 2011, 21:49
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cx line driver....is that delay in promotion without any compensation disregarding the extra 10 years you'll get earning the best part of $HK1.5 million per year, or did you forget to factor that in to the great scheme of things
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Old 25th Feb 2011, 00:07
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...or joining the company on a reduced pay scale in the first place.
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