wahhh captain sorry to distrub but!!!!!
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In my opinion, our most professional captains are the cadets. The half dozen or so I have flown with show a lot less ego and attitude than most of the western guys.
I wish more of them were checkers,... at least that way, they would be less likely to think that their opinions are SOP, and less likely to mark you down on the ERAS because you don't agree with their opinions.
And since I am a westerner, I hope that I can be as even tempered, and measured, as most of the cadet captains.
I wish more of them were checkers,... at least that way, they would be less likely to think that their opinions are SOP, and less likely to mark you down on the ERAS because you don't agree with their opinions.
And since I am a westerner, I hope that I can be as even tempered, and measured, as most of the cadet captains.
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Dear Colleagues,
Thank you for your emotive replies to my previous post. To be frank, I am not trying to get under anyone's skin except that of the addressed recipient (Kunta Kinte). Please take no offence to my comments since they were not intended for you.
To those of you who wish to belittle higher education or military flight training, I would respectfully suggest that you have no idea what you are writing about. I would be shocked if any of you naysayers have been a part of either, except perhaps as one who did not make it. So if you think about it, you cannot know what you don't know. Ignorance is bliss, or in this case just an uninformed opinion and perhaps a 'tinge' of jealousy.
I can assure you, having been a part of both higher education and military aviation, that nothing I've experienced compares in terms of broadening the mind and partaking in a high-speed, dynamic environment. It will be a sad day at CX when Part A or the Vol 1 invokes even a fraction the brainpower that game theory requires. Similarly, running a radar and other sensors while flying tactical formation at 500 knots and 500 feet in mountainous terrain can seldom be compared to anything you will experience on the line as an airline pilot.
This is NOT to say that these experiences make a better airline pilot, but that they are indicative of people who has put themselves out there and consistently made the cut with hard work and varying degrees of innate talent. All too often, those from such backgrounds rest on their laurels and the quality of their operation deteriorates. Perhaps you have experienced this yourselves.
Beyond a certain level of experience, attitude is the most significant factor in the quality of an airline pilot. Those willing to keep up with the changes and stay engaged at all levels in this ridiculously mind-numbing profession will run the best operation.
Sincerely,
cxorcist
PS - No prince charlies up the crack, little prick syndrome, racism, or tobacco chewing here; but thanks for sharing your various backgrounds for all to see...
Thank you for your emotive replies to my previous post. To be frank, I am not trying to get under anyone's skin except that of the addressed recipient (Kunta Kinte). Please take no offence to my comments since they were not intended for you.
To those of you who wish to belittle higher education or military flight training, I would respectfully suggest that you have no idea what you are writing about. I would be shocked if any of you naysayers have been a part of either, except perhaps as one who did not make it. So if you think about it, you cannot know what you don't know. Ignorance is bliss, or in this case just an uninformed opinion and perhaps a 'tinge' of jealousy.
I can assure you, having been a part of both higher education and military aviation, that nothing I've experienced compares in terms of broadening the mind and partaking in a high-speed, dynamic environment. It will be a sad day at CX when Part A or the Vol 1 invokes even a fraction the brainpower that game theory requires. Similarly, running a radar and other sensors while flying tactical formation at 500 knots and 500 feet in mountainous terrain can seldom be compared to anything you will experience on the line as an airline pilot.
This is NOT to say that these experiences make a better airline pilot, but that they are indicative of people who has put themselves out there and consistently made the cut with hard work and varying degrees of innate talent. All too often, those from such backgrounds rest on their laurels and the quality of their operation deteriorates. Perhaps you have experienced this yourselves.
Beyond a certain level of experience, attitude is the most significant factor in the quality of an airline pilot. Those willing to keep up with the changes and stay engaged at all levels in this ridiculously mind-numbing profession will run the best operation.
Sincerely,
cxorcist
PS - No prince charlies up the crack, little prick syndrome, racism, or tobacco chewing here; but thanks for sharing your various backgrounds for all to see...
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"running a radar and other sensors while flying tactical formation at 500 knots and 500 feet in mountainous terrain"
You forgot to mention doing it in the middle of the night, in a snowstorm, having not slept for 48 hours, while being shot at and suffering an engine fire.
If you're trying to impress other pilots that you're a pilot, at least make it a bit more interesting.
You forgot to mention doing it in the middle of the night, in a snowstorm, having not slept for 48 hours, while being shot at and suffering an engine fire.
If you're trying to impress other pilots that you're a pilot, at least make it a bit more interesting.
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Seriously, cxorsict... you're providing a lot of entertainment here. I hope you're joking. Are we supposed to be impressed? It's a known fact those who try to impress do it because of some void they're trying to fill, hence the real clinical term "Little man syndrome" to describe the condition. Frankly, the day cathay starts flying 'tactical' aircrat, we will all be sure and give a sh!t about what you have to offer. Until then, get in line and don't make an a$$ of yourself. Do you really think there are any here who don't have some substantial education or experience who cathay hires? Or do you mean to tell us that only YOUR specific education/background is IMPRESSIVE? I have and do fly with lots of pilots who were Navy Top Gun, SR-71, various military aerobatics teams, Test pilots, etc... and although literally less than a handful had/have certain arrogance (and almost all were down to earth and not full of themselves), I've never heard it at the level you display. You are a gem! Keep talking!
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Military Pilots make poor Airline Pilots, Always have Always will.
411A When will you stop making ridiculous statements such as your latest "contribution"? Some of the best airline pilots with whom I have crewed were trained by the USAF, RAAF, RNZAF and RAF. Likewise many whom I consider great airline pilots never flew in any military force. If you have a problem with military pilots it is probably because you never "cut it" in competition with some of them. Get rid of the chips from your shoulders and think a little before you offer nonsensical opinions. 
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VforV,
It's amazing but true that one of the most inept pilots with whom I flew at CX is a former military aerobatic performance pilot.
Just because someone can fly military aerobatic performances in a single-seat light jet doesn't mean he can fly a 747 well. Nor does it mean, and most often it does NOT mean, that he works well in a crew.
It's amazing but true that one of the most inept pilots with whom I flew at CX is a former military aerobatic performance pilot.
Just because someone can fly military aerobatic performances in a single-seat light jet doesn't mean he can fly a 747 well. Nor does it mean, and most often it does NOT mean, that he works well in a crew.
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I've done both (military and civil). So unlike you and many on this thread, who have only one background, I can comment based on my experience.
So here is my comment: Both types of flying have their challenges. Although I am a bit partial to feeling that tight formation flying is......never mind.
Once again, kids, we need to relax. None of us would be here if we didn't have the talent.
As for the future pool of talent.....how does that saying go? You pay peanuts you get....
I've done both (military and civil). So unlike you and many on this thread, who have only one background, I can comment based on my experience.
So here is my comment: Both types of flying have their challenges. Although I am a bit partial to feeling that tight formation flying is......never mind.
Once again, kids, we need to relax. None of us would be here if we didn't have the talent.
As for the future pool of talent.....how does that saying go? You pay peanuts you get....
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With whom I flew !!
Oval3Holer. What a lot of crap you write. "most often does NOT mean, that he works well with a crew" You and those of your ilk paint everyone with the same brush based on your experience of ONE man, it seems. Your comment says a lot more about you than it does about others. BTW, with whom do you fly now? Not CX I suspect.
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The ability to fly 500 kts through the grand canyon is impressive. But it seems to me that it is quite removed from the skills that we use 99% of the time in the job we do.
I think that this skill, in itself, is beneficial. But those who have done it, and think that they are special because they have done it, are probably the ones most likely to undervalue the skills of the other members of the crew.
I don't mind getting advice from the captains and F/O's, since I view these years as an apprenticeship. But I do object to having my experience belittled. And even worse, being aggressively berrated for something completely removed from our SOP's (eg... putting ticks on the notams and flight plan).
As I have read from what others are writing, the ability to work well in a crew seems to be a skill of major importance. Marginalizing and bullying a member of the crew, even before you leave dispatch, is not a great example of team building.
I think that this skill, in itself, is beneficial. But those who have done it, and think that they are special because they have done it, are probably the ones most likely to undervalue the skills of the other members of the crew.
I don't mind getting advice from the captains and F/O's, since I view these years as an apprenticeship. But I do object to having my experience belittled. And even worse, being aggressively berrated for something completely removed from our SOP's (eg... putting ticks on the notams and flight plan).
As I have read from what others are writing, the ability to work well in a crew seems to be a skill of major importance. Marginalizing and bullying a member of the crew, even before you leave dispatch, is not a great example of team building.
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Well said third floor whore. We have so many guys that think their rank means they are actually superior to others in lower rank. It is an extremely dangerous attitude to take.
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Thread drift?
What I want to know is how a thread about some plonker who picked up his phone on a G day and then came on here to let us all know how brave he was to say "no thanks" has turned into a military versus civilian slanging match?
We've all flown with pilots of varying ability. We've all flown with some pilots who are great one day and, surprisingly, not so great on a different day. The fact that one pilot might have done his apprenticeship flying newspapers across outback Australia in a clapped out Cessna or another did his flying provisions to the frozen wastes of northern Canada or, indeed, flying at some ridiculously low altitude at high speed and dropping bombs on bad guys is largely immaterial.
All we can ask for is that each time we fly, our fellow professional pilots do the best job they can, as has been so well demonstrated in recent incidents.
STP
We've all flown with pilots of varying ability. We've all flown with some pilots who are great one day and, surprisingly, not so great on a different day. The fact that one pilot might have done his apprenticeship flying newspapers across outback Australia in a clapped out Cessna or another did his flying provisions to the frozen wastes of northern Canada or, indeed, flying at some ridiculously low altitude at high speed and dropping bombs on bad guys is largely immaterial.
All we can ask for is that each time we fly, our fellow professional pilots do the best job they can, as has been so well demonstrated in recent incidents.
STP
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Swagger with something up the crack?
Akali, you really crack me up. No wonder those fellas in the Fragrant Harbour are so anal retentive!
411A is absolutely correct, the military transport guys are fine but the hot shot fast jet jockies are a nightmare.
411A is absolutely correct, the military transport guys are fine but the hot shot fast jet jockies are a nightmare.
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You forgot to mention doing it in the middle of the night, in a snowstorm, having not slept for 48 hours, while being shot at and suffering an engine fire.
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829 dec 29 early am
slf on the way back to hk. about to board and short one crew. dunno what the situation is here in toronto regardinig pulling someone off their g day in the middle of the night....but we going nowhere fast...
