880 tonight = No FO. Let's keep it that way
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We are so short of crew it's beyond a joke.
880 went with an STC (ex-STC?) as relief.
709 stole the FO from 412. The 412 flight is crewless with a few hours to go before departure.
I'm sure there is a whole heap more too. Who would want to be a Crew controller for this place?
I know it's there trainset but they have a strange way of running it!
880 went with an STC (ex-STC?) as relief.
709 stole the FO from 412. The 412 flight is crewless with a few hours to go before departure.
I'm sure there is a whole heap more too. Who would want to be a Crew controller for this place?
I know it's there trainset but they have a strange way of running it!
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This afternoon, they left 3 messages on my phone asking for help.......unfortunately I was not able to oblige and I am on just over 94 hours due to reserve earlier this week.
It seems that goodwill has well and truly dried up all round.
Desperate times indeed!
Now.......about those pay negotiations which should have been settled 5 years ago.
It seems that goodwill has well and truly dried up all round.
Desperate times indeed!
Now.......about those pay negotiations which should have been settled 5 years ago.
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Landed this evening, CC msg "can you help and do XXX?" Pretty sure I would have been close to discretion before arriving there (haven't checked yet though) and done myself out of FDP hours for next month!
"Cannot..."
"Cannot..."
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And the helper turns out to be a very vocal AOA member who also happens to have helped out on his G the day before!! I could understand it if he was in overtime but a quick peruse of his roster shows he is nowhere near.
What are you tring to prove AL!! Not getting on with the missus?
What are you tring to prove AL!! Not getting on with the missus?
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Reserve Call (check the date*)
So the company gets out of jail free again... thanks to an AOA member no less. <Sigh>
*note: remember that 412 departs after midnight, so the "flight date" is the next day.
Once again, the company had reserve coverage, but were trying to use G day workers. I can only imagine what good overtime the FO will get for this. Must be way into the big multipliers because the real time roster has an immediate PX back to HK on the same jet. Either that or this is the 6th work day in a row, and the PX is to comply with 1 in 7.
This is the danger of "name & shame". Sometimes there's more to it than we see.
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True, but...
BC - you're absolutely right re: dangers of name & shame... but my post was in reference to the OP's topic, namely 880 and it's G-day "FO" (AOA STC?!?).
It's mind-bottling that this should happen, and if (when??) our pay negotiations go nowhere, we as a collective can look to examples such as this and say with complete confidence that it's our own damn vault.
Clearly we are willing to help out this caring company. Just remember, it's the same company that demanded SLS due "financial hardship", makes record (approx $2BN USD!?) profits a year later then has the gall to only give back 90% of the SLS to its captains... The very ones that then turn around and say "thank you sir, may I have another and can I help you out of the rostering bind that YOU created?"
Meanwhile, the 49ers have their compensation (oh wait - no, the "caring company" is appealing that decision) and the SOs/FOs are receiving their duly entitled BPP (oh wait, no they're not - the caring company is appealing that SO Labour Tribunal finding as well).
Brings a tear to my eye, in fact, I think I'll phone them now and see if I can help the poor buggers out.
It's mind-bottling that this should happen, and if (when??) our pay negotiations go nowhere, we as a collective can look to examples such as this and say with complete confidence that it's our own damn vault.
Clearly we are willing to help out this caring company. Just remember, it's the same company that demanded SLS due "financial hardship", makes record (approx $2BN USD!?) profits a year later then has the gall to only give back 90% of the SLS to its captains... The very ones that then turn around and say "thank you sir, may I have another and can I help you out of the rostering bind that YOU created?"
Meanwhile, the 49ers have their compensation (oh wait - no, the "caring company" is appealing that decision) and the SOs/FOs are receiving their duly entitled BPP (oh wait, no they're not - the caring company is appealing that SO Labour Tribunal finding as well).
Brings a tear to my eye, in fact, I think I'll phone them now and see if I can help the poor buggers out.
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The other danger.... if you keep going with this thread they may simply block the master roster, crew lists etc. from view. 
Assuming anyone who could block them, gives a s**t what you think.
Vocal AOA members helping out.....sums up the whole story really
Assuming anyone who could block them, gives a s**t what you think.
Vocal AOA members helping out.....sums up the whole story really
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I don't understand. If the company calls you, why do you answer? It always rings 27** on my phone, doesn't do the same on yours? Just let it go to voicemail, even if you are on reserve. Listen to the message. If on reserve, figure out the legalities, then call them back with a plan. This is the only way any of us should handle calls from crewcontrol.
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Didn't know that we are using CC at the moment?
Personal preference perhaps? Until AOA come out with it - then anything goes. If I was at 99 hours and they wanted me to do a LAX or LHR then HELL Yes.
I'm all for CC but at the moment - anything goes
Personal preference perhaps? Until AOA come out with it - then anything goes. If I was at 99 hours and they wanted me to do a LAX or LHR then HELL Yes.
I'm all for CC but at the moment - anything goes
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You are absolutely spot on.
Some people just don't get it.
They are waiting for a directive........FFS do they need a directive from the AOA to breathe!
You are absolutely spot on.
Some people just don't get it.
They are waiting for a directive........FFS do they need a directive from the AOA to breathe!
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You won't change the system - the company will always get their way. Unions don't work in Hong Kong, hasn't that already been established?! It's how it's worked here for years - love it or leave it.
You will never see executives in Hong Kong kowtowing to staff demands. It just isn't in their fibre to do it and I doubt the thought would have even crossed their minds.
Look at the state of the industry in the US lads, the world will follow soon enough.
Whatever it takes to get an increase in Earnings per Share, no matter who gets shafted
You will never see executives in Hong Kong kowtowing to staff demands. It just isn't in their fibre to do it and I doubt the thought would have even crossed their minds.
Look at the state of the industry in the US lads, the world will follow soon enough.
Whatever it takes to get an increase in Earnings per Share, no matter who gets shafted
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Im sorry but Im looking in from the outside here. Which Airline is this ?
You won't change the system - the company will always get their way.
You're also inevitably going to die one day. Why not just shorten your misery and throw yourself off the roof or something?
Or is that your reasonable excuse for working Gs?