Local pilots fly off the handle at expat perks
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CX gave a female, local FO three shots at Command (letting her through in the end). Round-eyed lads were **** canned after two attempts at Command
A certain expat took off with the wrong r/w loaded in the FMGC, next time he made a slip up....demotion.
Back in the day Cathay hired from a known pool of excellence & professionalism and this pool was the Air Force as well as experienced heavy jet pilots from all over the world
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'The Cadets in Cathay should show some responsibility for their actions, and accept the fact that they agreed to their conditions of service, and signed on the line.'
By this logic none of the A Scalers should be working past 55.
I support anyone who is pushing for an improvement in their conditions. What the Cadet pilots are trying to do just that. They probably realize they don't have much chance of a salary increase, so they are pushing for accom allowance.
I also support equal pay for an equal job. However no Cadet pilot is equal to a DESO. Sorry Cadets, but you bring no real experience to the operation (previous command time, operational experience in challenging conditions, real flying (handling) experience). For about the first 5 years you are more of a liability than an asset.
It pisses me off when I fly with a new Cadet SO. What I see day to day is scary: No situation awareness, no terrain awareness, inability to make a simple position report correctly. Cadet SOs are cleared to the line without the most basic of skills. So YOU DO NOT DESERVE EQUAL PAY, YOU ARE NOT EQUAL TO A QUALIFIED AND EXPERIENCED PILOT.
By this logic none of the A Scalers should be working past 55.
I support anyone who is pushing for an improvement in their conditions. What the Cadet pilots are trying to do just that. They probably realize they don't have much chance of a salary increase, so they are pushing for accom allowance.
I also support equal pay for an equal job. However no Cadet pilot is equal to a DESO. Sorry Cadets, but you bring no real experience to the operation (previous command time, operational experience in challenging conditions, real flying (handling) experience). For about the first 5 years you are more of a liability than an asset.
It pisses me off when I fly with a new Cadet SO. What I see day to day is scary: No situation awareness, no terrain awareness, inability to make a simple position report correctly. Cadet SOs are cleared to the line without the most basic of skills. So YOU DO NOT DESERVE EQUAL PAY, YOU ARE NOT EQUAL TO A QUALIFIED AND EXPERIENCED PILOT.
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So YOU DO NOT DESERVE EQUAL PAY, YOU ARE NOT EQUAL TO A QUALIFIED AND EXPERIENCED PILOT.
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An aviation career handed to you on a silver platter,no training bond,only 3 months notice if you wish to leave. If you want expat perks then go & work in the sandpit,or the cesspit.
I'd love to be on A scale, for example, but that is never going to happen & I don't bitch about it so I recommend that you HTFU.(In the immortal words of that great prophet Chopper Reid.)
Equal pay for equal work? Gimme a break.
I'd love to be on A scale, for example, but that is never going to happen & I don't bitch about it so I recommend that you HTFU.(In the immortal words of that great prophet Chopper Reid.)
Equal pay for equal work? Gimme a break.
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They meet the standard required of them, otherwise the CAD would not sign off their licences
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'own personally preferred standard'
Giving a position report correctly is hardly 'own personally preferred standard'. It is not hard to use the radio correctly. Not doing so shows a lack of professionalism.
Holding a HKG CAD licence doesn't mean ****. Of the four ATPLs I hold, my Hong Kong licence is the only one I am not proud off. It is the only one that I feel I didn't really earn (Vol 8s and a repeat of a few exams copied from the UK just to keep some Hong Kong prick employed at the CAD does not count as earning a real licence).
Cadet SOs are not doing the same job. I seriously believe that most of them can't. They do not have the knowledge, experience or training to perform the same job. Remember we aren't there for when everything is going well. We are there to save all on board when the **** hits the fan. The complete wankers who manage CX are just filling seats with their SOs selection and training programme. They hope nothing goes wrong. It is not the Cadets' fault the so many of them are so useless, they are just the product of the CX system (maximum profits, to hell with everything else).
Holding a HKG CAD licence doesn't mean ****. Of the four ATPLs I hold, my Hong Kong licence is the only one I am not proud off. It is the only one that I feel I didn't really earn (Vol 8s and a repeat of a few exams copied from the UK just to keep some Hong Kong prick employed at the CAD does not count as earning a real licence).
Cadet SOs are not doing the same job. I seriously believe that most of them can't. They do not have the knowledge, experience or training to perform the same job. Remember we aren't there for when everything is going well. We are there to save all on board when the **** hits the fan. The complete wankers who manage CX are just filling seats with their SOs selection and training programme. They hope nothing goes wrong. It is not the Cadets' fault the so many of them are so useless, they are just the product of the CX system (maximum profits, to hell with everything else).
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To cxlinedriver... - I take your point with regards to A-scale. I would love to be on it as well, but it was in the company's interest to retain them, and their interest to stick around. So, whilst it was annoying that they went back to B-scale, the situation was mutually beneficial, and negotiated without any of the emotive conflict that seems to be getting underway with the cadet housing issue.
In regards to the cadets skill level. I really can't comment. I'm not perfect, and neither are they.
To my mind, as I stressed in the previous post, it comes down to personal integrity. The cadets signed their contracts, and they should take responsibility for this.
I, of course, would love to see a pay rise. And will support the AOA in a structured discussion with the company about it.
What I will not do, is engage in outrageous claims of racism and prejudice, in order to win a benefit to which I am not entitled, and which most would consider an unreasonable increase in renumeration.
In regards to the cadets skill level. I really can't comment. I'm not perfect, and neither are they.
To my mind, as I stressed in the previous post, it comes down to personal integrity. The cadets signed their contracts, and they should take responsibility for this.
I, of course, would love to see a pay rise. And will support the AOA in a structured discussion with the company about it.
What I will not do, is engage in outrageous claims of racism and prejudice, in order to win a benefit to which I am not entitled, and which most would consider an unreasonable increase in renumeration.
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You flew a plane from A to B in what I hope was a safe and professional manner. Well done, have a medal. But don't even try for one second to make it sound like you had a direct hand in making Cathay what is it today. A company that weathered the storm of SARS and the Financial Crisis. You did a job, took the rewards when they were plentiful and moaned and groaned like the other scum here when the going got tough.
If they are anything like you, then you can keep them. 
I've had the priviledge of flying with the products of our cadet scheme who have performed their job well. Perhaps I made them feel comfortable from the second I met them before the flight by extending a handshake and a smile.
Perhaps your bad experiences occured because when they first met you, you stuck your nose up at them, rolled your eyes, sighed and made some derogatory comment under your breath. It must be the old chip on the shoulder you have carried since you got promoted within the RAF back in "your era". What were you? Wing Commander? Group Captain. Air Commodore even?
Our skills, determination, knowledge, experience & tenacity were the foundations that CX was built on. Without us there never would have been an airline in Hong Kong.
no recruit will ever compare to the talented individuals that were selected during my era.
I've had the priviledge of flying with the products of our cadet scheme who have performed their job well. Perhaps I made them feel comfortable from the second I met them before the flight by extending a handshake and a smile.
Perhaps your bad experiences occured because when they first met you, you stuck your nose up at them, rolled your eyes, sighed and made some derogatory comment under your breath. It must be the old chip on the shoulder you have carried since you got promoted within the RAF back in "your era". What were you? Wing Commander? Group Captain. Air Commodore even?
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Cathay Super?
Are any of you fellows Cathay insiders? Was wondering who looked after their Super annuation funds and what their comparative performance has been like over the past 5 years. Our expat colleagues there seem to be the envy of many of us in terms of total remuneration, I was curious as to whether it applied wholesale. Speaking for our Emirates fund returns, they have been rubbish and continue to be so even with 12 months of supposed global rebounding.
I'll pay that one, Captain Toss! 
...hey, where did your post go?
If those heaping abuse on 'The Management' and 'Capt Toss Parker', not bright enough to understand irony when they see it, are actually Cathay Pacific cockpit crew...then God help us all!
...hey, where did your post go?If those heaping abuse on 'The Management' and 'Capt Toss Parker', not bright enough to understand irony when they see it, are actually Cathay Pacific cockpit crew...then God help us all!
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It's off topic, but in short, our Provident is managed by 'Fidelity".
We have control over which funds we invest in. Although, the choice is somewhat limited. Returns will be different for everybody, depending on where they're invested.
Soon to be managed to HSBC.
It's off topic, but in short, our Provident is managed by 'Fidelity".
We have control over which funds we invest in. Although, the choice is somewhat limited. Returns will be different for everybody, depending on where they're invested.
Soon to be managed to HSBC.
