You Scruffy Bu**ers!
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Such an angry person- friend you need some counselling. Are you aircrew? You need help believe me. If you have such big balls why don't you put your real name out here, otherwise stop ranting!
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Okay, I understand that the message was that we should wear the uniform correctly BUT why on earth do we have to "match?"
We are constantly told that we have xx different cultures on the flight deck. It only takes one trip in a public bus to discover that 16 Degrees feels like the artic to a Local and like summer to a Scot so why must we all be dressed the same?
Now as somebody else pointed out most people I know don't need to read Vol 1 to work out when to wear a jacket. Heck, I even know of an S/O that managed to teach his kids when to wear a jersey!!
What's next, marching in line from the aircraft to customs?
We are constantly told that we have xx different cultures on the flight deck. It only takes one trip in a public bus to discover that 16 Degrees feels like the artic to a Local and like summer to a Scot so why must we all be dressed the same?
Now as somebody else pointed out most people I know don't need to read Vol 1 to work out when to wear a jacket. Heck, I even know of an S/O that managed to teach his kids when to wear a jersey!!
What's next, marching in line from the aircraft to customs?
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NTC (Notice to Children)
Uniforms must be worn at all times except in the following circumstances:
Uniforms must be worn at all times except in the following circumstances:
- Finger Painting
- Playground free play
- Potty Training
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What is it in this company with captains? All F/Os are incompetent, aren't as intelligent as when I was recruited etc, god, give it up will you. If there is any group who usually are out of uniform it's the guys in the LHS!
As to wearing a uniform I can only say if you go to work in a blue singlet, that's how the bastards will want to pay you.
8888, no mention of spelling in Ali's post!
As to wearing a uniform I can only say if you go to work in a blue singlet, that's how the bastards will want to pay you.
8888, no mention of spelling in Ali's post!
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Dan Buster
hit the nail on the head...why treat a few thousand pilots like babies when the reality is that only a few need taking aside for a bit of a reminder of how to present themselves.
most professionals dress professionally and that is generally the case with most of us at cathay.
the simple reason we get a NTC to the masses is that it is easier to hide behind a typewriter than have the moral fibre to stand up to an individual and give him a bollocking. tiz not just cathay where this LMF exists in management, we will all have seen it before with previous employers.
hit the nail on the head...why treat a few thousand pilots like babies when the reality is that only a few need taking aside for a bit of a reminder of how to present themselves.
most professionals dress professionally and that is generally the case with most of us at cathay.
the simple reason we get a NTC to the masses is that it is easier to hide behind a typewriter than have the moral fibre to stand up to an individual and give him a bollocking. tiz not just cathay where this LMF exists in management, we will all have seen it before with previous employers.
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Control
This is really just about control.
Why chat with the accused few when you can intimidate the majority of 'sheep' with a NTC that could give future grounds to discipline/dismiss individuals for not complying with company policy.
The 'management' live by the belief that that they are solely employed to protect the reputation of this company from the crew they sadly attempt to manage by constantly monitoring everything we do in the hope they find something they don't like. If they had any people skills at all, NTC's would only contain operationally relevant information disseminated to improve what we do and not used as group reminders to take a **** before getting dressed to come to work.
With a few notable exceptions, these individuals are not qualified to manage anything but are just products of the CX 'old boy network' of internal advancement and the job justification programme. The eternal challenge, to re-invent the perfectly serviceable wheel at every opportunity and as a result climb the corporate ladder at others expense.
Whether you agree with the sentiment of the NTC or not, individual offenders should be counselled in private. The policy of shooting everyone in the room does nothing more than advance the dislike of management and continue to erode what little morale we have left amongst the majority of our crews.
HC doesn't really care about your hat or my tie, he just wants everybody to know that he is watching and therefore continues to propagate the fantasy that he is in control of your destiny in a sad attempt to keep you on the company line.
Wonder who's more gullible?
Why chat with the accused few when you can intimidate the majority of 'sheep' with a NTC that could give future grounds to discipline/dismiss individuals for not complying with company policy.
The 'management' live by the belief that that they are solely employed to protect the reputation of this company from the crew they sadly attempt to manage by constantly monitoring everything we do in the hope they find something they don't like. If they had any people skills at all, NTC's would only contain operationally relevant information disseminated to improve what we do and not used as group reminders to take a **** before getting dressed to come to work.
With a few notable exceptions, these individuals are not qualified to manage anything but are just products of the CX 'old boy network' of internal advancement and the job justification programme. The eternal challenge, to re-invent the perfectly serviceable wheel at every opportunity and as a result climb the corporate ladder at others expense.
Whether you agree with the sentiment of the NTC or not, individual offenders should be counselled in private. The policy of shooting everyone in the room does nothing more than advance the dislike of management and continue to erode what little morale we have left amongst the majority of our crews.
HC doesn't really care about your hat or my tie, he just wants everybody to know that he is watching and therefore continues to propagate the fantasy that he is in control of your destiny in a sad attempt to keep you on the company line.
Wonder who's more gullible?
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SCMP - Dressing down just not the ticket at Cathay
Dressing down just not the ticket at Cathay
Simon Parry
Updated on Jan 03, 2010 Cathay Pacific has given its pilots a sartorial dressing down for being scruffy and poorly turned-out in public, and ordered them to make a New Year's resolution to smarten up. A memo sent out by general manager flying, Captain Henry Craig, said there had been recent cases when cockpit crew on their way to and from work had been seen committing the fashion faux pas of wearing jeans with uniform jackets, neglecting to wear ties and sporting "unkempt hairstyles". In the memo, e-mailed to Cathay Pacific's 2,000 fliers on December 31, and headed "New Year's Resolution a.k.a. Wearing of Uniform", Craig says pilots should make it their resolution to smarten up.
It instructs the pilots: "When we are on duty or in public view, we should always wear our uniform in an appropriate way.
"There have been recent occurrences when some crew members have appeared in uniform that is not befitting. Examples include wearing a uniform jacket but no tie; wearing a uniform jacket with denim jeans; unkempt hairstyles and crews that do not appear `uniform' when walking together.
"Whenever we wear our uniform, we are representing both the company and our profession. Therefore, when in uniform and in public view, take care to ensure that we are conveying a proper professional image."
Craig quotes company guidelines in his memo which say: "The complete uniform, including cap and tie, must be worn when on duty and in public view. However, the wearing of the uniform jacket is at the discretion of the commander.
"If jackets are worn they should be buttoned up. When crew members are together, all crew should be similarly attired."
The guidelines quoted by Craig go on: "When travelling immediately prior to or post duty, uniform trousers, belt and shirt may be worn without any other items of uniform. Alternatively, the complete uniform, including cap and tie, may be worn."
The memo had a mixed reception. One pilot said: "You would think that when we're confronting a renewed threat of terrorism on planes, our managers would have more important things to send memos out about than the way cockpit crew look on their way to and from work."
On an online forum for Cathay Pacific pilots, one person wrote: "Nice to see that at the end of a difficult year with many of us taking unpaid leave we are left with a [memo] telling us to smarten up. While I agree with the sentiment, the timing could be better."
But other forum users voiced support for Craig. "Just wear the uniform and stop bleating, You can all wear your designer kit when out on the town in Wan Chai," one pilot said.
Another pilot took issue with the instruction to be "similarly attired". "How exactly do [non-Hong Kong] based first officers and Hong Kong captains or vice-versa co-ordinate their wardrobes?" he asks.
"If the captain is Hong Kong-based with no jacket and the first officer is [non-Hong Kong] based, coming to Hong Kong with his jacket, what is the first officer supposed to do? Fold up his jacket and stuff it in his bag?"
A Cathay Pacific spokeswoman said: "The memo was sent out as a general reminder that our professionals should dress properly when in their uniform. It wasn't triggered by any incident in particular."
Simon Parry
Updated on Jan 03, 2010 Cathay Pacific has given its pilots a sartorial dressing down for being scruffy and poorly turned-out in public, and ordered them to make a New Year's resolution to smarten up. A memo sent out by general manager flying, Captain Henry Craig, said there had been recent cases when cockpit crew on their way to and from work had been seen committing the fashion faux pas of wearing jeans with uniform jackets, neglecting to wear ties and sporting "unkempt hairstyles". In the memo, e-mailed to Cathay Pacific's 2,000 fliers on December 31, and headed "New Year's Resolution a.k.a. Wearing of Uniform", Craig says pilots should make it their resolution to smarten up.
It instructs the pilots: "When we are on duty or in public view, we should always wear our uniform in an appropriate way.
"There have been recent occurrences when some crew members have appeared in uniform that is not befitting. Examples include wearing a uniform jacket but no tie; wearing a uniform jacket with denim jeans; unkempt hairstyles and crews that do not appear `uniform' when walking together.
"Whenever we wear our uniform, we are representing both the company and our profession. Therefore, when in uniform and in public view, take care to ensure that we are conveying a proper professional image."
Craig quotes company guidelines in his memo which say: "The complete uniform, including cap and tie, must be worn when on duty and in public view. However, the wearing of the uniform jacket is at the discretion of the commander.
"If jackets are worn they should be buttoned up. When crew members are together, all crew should be similarly attired."
The guidelines quoted by Craig go on: "When travelling immediately prior to or post duty, uniform trousers, belt and shirt may be worn without any other items of uniform. Alternatively, the complete uniform, including cap and tie, may be worn."
The memo had a mixed reception. One pilot said: "You would think that when we're confronting a renewed threat of terrorism on planes, our managers would have more important things to send memos out about than the way cockpit crew look on their way to and from work."
On an online forum for Cathay Pacific pilots, one person wrote: "Nice to see that at the end of a difficult year with many of us taking unpaid leave we are left with a [memo] telling us to smarten up. While I agree with the sentiment, the timing could be better."
But other forum users voiced support for Craig. "Just wear the uniform and stop bleating, You can all wear your designer kit when out on the town in Wan Chai," one pilot said.
Another pilot took issue with the instruction to be "similarly attired". "How exactly do [non-Hong Kong] based first officers and Hong Kong captains or vice-versa co-ordinate their wardrobes?" he asks.
"If the captain is Hong Kong-based with no jacket and the first officer is [non-Hong Kong] based, coming to Hong Kong with his jacket, what is the first officer supposed to do? Fold up his jacket and stuff it in his bag?"
A Cathay Pacific spokeswoman said: "The memo was sent out as a general reminder that our professionals should dress properly when in their uniform. It wasn't triggered by any incident in particular."
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'Scruffy' Hong Kong pilots ordered to smarten up
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Nice one Henry
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Nice one Henry
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Wearing Hat Optional
Wearing the hat should be optional like in most other major airlines. If you try to commute with only carry on bags the hat can be quite annoying. And if you then take it out of your bag it certainly looks a bit unprofessional..
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Wearing the hat should be optional like in most other major airlines.
If hats are issued then they should be worn, the alternative is to not issue hats. The idea that wearing is optional with, perhaps, half the crew wearing a hat and the other half not is, to me, ridiculous.
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SMOC
Blaming the wrong person there. Should be the d**k who thinks it is a great idea to pass company information to the media and make us look even more stupid now. Well done to the person concerned.
Nice one Henry
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Well, it looks like some of us have had our five minutes of fame.
In the end it is all academic. I am proud on the inside blah, blah, blah...Go hug a tree.
The travelling public will judge you on how you look and if you look like a bag of sh#t they will think your professional standards are a bag of sh#t. It will be one little piece of the puzzle that informs their decision on whether or not they should buy that CX ticket over the SQ one.
In the end it is all academic. I am proud on the inside blah, blah, blah...Go hug a tree.
The travelling public will judge you on how you look and if you look like a bag of sh#t they will think your professional standards are a bag of sh#t. It will be one little piece of the puzzle that informs their decision on whether or not they should buy that CX ticket over the SQ one.
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A couple of points
Fuji
What makes you think it was either the discussion on this forum or even a crew member that allowed the journalist to have the complete text?
Loiter 1
I don't think how a pilot looks makes a jot of difference to whether they buy CX, SQ or any other airline ticket for that matter. It might in the smallest of minorities but other than that, for the vast majority of the travelling public, it would be determined by what deal their travel agent could get them. Having said that, I still think we should be as well presented as the uniform will allow.
Off to hug a tree...
STP
What makes you think it was either the discussion on this forum or even a crew member that allowed the journalist to have the complete text?
Loiter 1
I don't think how a pilot looks makes a jot of difference to whether they buy CX, SQ or any other airline ticket for that matter. It might in the smallest of minorities but other than that, for the vast majority of the travelling public, it would be determined by what deal their travel agent could get them. Having said that, I still think we should be as well presented as the uniform will allow.
Off to hug a tree...
STP
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Iceman50, SMOC is right. Some years ago a fleet chief pilot was called into the then DFO's office about a NTC that he wrote that sort of demeaned China Airlines.
The CP was told never to put into a NTC anything that he did not wish to see in the SCMP or Apple Daily the next day.
One it is printed, it is public domain. Henry was wrong to put it out like this. He should have got his stasi to police the individuals whose actions he didn't like.
The CP was told never to put into a NTC anything that he did not wish to see in the SCMP or Apple Daily the next day.
One it is printed, it is public domain. Henry was wrong to put it out like this. He should have got his stasi to police the individuals whose actions he didn't like.