Judgement in the 49ers case: 11/11/09
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Judgement in the 49ers case: 11/11/09
For info: The judgement in the 49ers case will be handed down at 38 Queensway, High Court Building, tomorrow 11th November at 2.30pm. The hearing is open to the public.
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The sad thing is that CX was once known for it's excellent management. The pilots were treated like valued partners in the company's success. Unfortunately, a malignant influence worked it's way into the highest levels, motivated by personal greed. Over a 15 year period, we are now at the point were anger is the most common emotion prevelant within the airline. Distrust, misery and a contempt have replaced the hope and enjoyment that used to characterise our careers. Well done to the Swire's for the complete destruction of a once great airline.
The rot set in with this once great airline when Red Oddington took the reins in the early nineties. This was the start of the assault on aircrew conditions, including the introduction of B scales.
His successor, David Downturn, continued the process with the bizarre and unnecessary 1999 'sign or be fired' ultimatum to crew, the response to which cost the company dearly. The situation was never properly resolved, and the 49ers were the result.
Then when Yoo No Hoo, previously a sidekick to the above gentlemen, took over as CEO his 'vision' was to transform Cathay Pacific Airways into Air Mong Kok.
Now the current regime is left with the legacy of the incessant war that has been waged on crew conditions since 1992. Appropriately on Remembrance Day, the company will be called to account for what was done to our 49ers. It is to be hoped that justice will finally be served.
His successor, David Downturn, continued the process with the bizarre and unnecessary 1999 'sign or be fired' ultimatum to crew, the response to which cost the company dearly. The situation was never properly resolved, and the 49ers were the result.
Then when Yoo No Hoo, previously a sidekick to the above gentlemen, took over as CEO his 'vision' was to transform Cathay Pacific Airways into Air Mong Kok.
Now the current regime is left with the legacy of the incessant war that has been waged on crew conditions since 1992. Appropriately on Remembrance Day, the company will be called to account for what was done to our 49ers. It is to be hoped that justice will finally be served.
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Great recap Capt D, but something else had a great impact on the downturn of this airline. That being the AOgAy. This all happened on there watch and they put up very little resistance; in fact, it would seem like they were in bed with those individuals?
Im sure the AOgAy will try to spin any victory from this case as something they helped bring about, in there typical Swine fashion.
AOA, oy vey
Im sure the AOgAy will try to spin any victory from this case as something they helped bring about, in there typical Swine fashion.
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I think this one has been done to death but to remind some of you, the 49ers were not deserted by the membership at all, the motion was voted down the first time by the membership but was then presented again for a re-vote, outside of the democratic process mind you, by some individuals who clearly had their own agenda. It was then carried the second time by the smallest of margins.
It is a cheap shot and way too easy to say that crap on here so as an AOA member at the time please tell me what should I have done?
It is a cheap shot and way too easy to say that crap on here so as an AOA member at the time please tell me what should I have done?
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What you could have done was rejected the AOA's disgraceful actions, joined CPU and helped fund the legal cases. Many of us did exactly that. Presumably if you'd been unfairly terminated you'd have wanted exactly that as well. 
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That was not the only option.
I stayed in the AOA, protested in writing (and verbally), and actively encouraged my friends and peers to do the same.
When that failed, I ensured my vote counted by helping ensure the masterminds of this were not re-elected. Had I quit the AoA, then I would have had no say in anything relating to my contract in the future - not just the 'one issue'.
Oh, and in the meantime, I sent some spare change to the CPU to help support the 49ers case.
I stayed in the AOA, protested in writing (and verbally), and actively encouraged my friends and peers to do the same.
When that failed, I ensured my vote counted by helping ensure the masterminds of this were not re-elected. Had I quit the AoA, then I would have had no say in anything relating to my contract in the future - not just the 'one issue'.
Oh, and in the meantime, I sent some spare change to the CPU to help support the 49ers case.
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Very unofficial word
Unfair dismissal: $150,000 each plus 1 months pay (except Crofts due UK award).....
Defamation: one month's pay and $3m General Damages and $300k aggravated damages (pain and suffering if you will) each, plus Company to pay their costs on an accessed/scaled basis.
Whilst perhaps not true compensation for the loss of a career, the company wont get much change out of $100m. Wonder how they will fund this latest fiasco? Probably lodging the Appeal as I type......
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Defamation: one month's pay and $3m General Damages and $300k aggravated damages (pain and suffering if you will) each, plus Company to pay their costs on an accessed/scaled basis.
Whilst perhaps not true compensation for the loss of a career, the company wont get much change out of $100m. Wonder how they will fund this latest fiasco? Probably lodging the Appeal as I type......
Edited in blue to remove misinformation
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If you are indeed correct, and I hope you are, there is simply no way that Cathay will let this go away. They will appeal to the ultimate court in the hope that their deep pockets and politically sensitive judges will eventually see it their way.
As for the Judge, if this is his ruling, he can expect that he will go no further than the Court of First Instance. Politicians and their businessmen masters do not appreciate such impugnity.
What a remarkably brave judge!!
As for the Judge, if this is his ruling, he can expect that he will go no further than the Court of First Instance. Politicians and their businessmen masters do not appreciate such impugnity.
What a remarkably brave judge!!
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My words above are all very unofficial as my snout has not read the entire Judgement and there could be some punches pulled in the final pages. It would seem there are some harsh words in the Judgment regarding Cathay's behaviour..... like "no defence offered".....
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"Great recap Capt D, but something else had a great impact on the downturn of this airline. That being the AOgAy. This all happened on there watch and they put up very little resistance; in fact, it would seem like they were in bed with those individuals?"
The HKAOA is not a parent that looks after a helpless child you clown.
The HKAOA is all of us. Those of us with balls used the tools and guidance given by the HKAOA during a very stressful time with our employer.
How many of you who bitch and complain about our union did your bit because I know a lot of you that didn't. How much resistance did you and your mates give.
You are probably not even a member. "Oh I just don't agree with the direction they are going" translated is "I am a scared little soul and it costs too much".
The HKAOA is not a parent that looks after a helpless child you clown.
The HKAOA is all of us. Those of us with balls used the tools and guidance given by the HKAOA during a very stressful time with our employer.
How many of you who bitch and complain about our union did your bit because I know a lot of you that didn't. How much resistance did you and your mates give.
You are probably not even a member. "Oh I just don't agree with the direction they are going" translated is "I am a scared little soul and it costs too much".
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From the CPU website
HK High Court Judgment!
The High Court has ruled that Cathay Pacific wrongly and unfairly dismissed 18 pilots in 2001 following industrial action. Mr Justice Reyes ordered the airline to pay HK$150,000 plus one month's salary to each of them. In addition, the airline was also told to pay HK$3.3 million to each pilot for defamatory remarks it made against them.
The High Court has ruled that Cathay Pacific wrongly and unfairly dismissed 18 pilots in 2001 following industrial action. Mr Justice Reyes ordered the airline to pay HK$150,000 plus one month's salary to each of them. In addition, the airline was also told to pay HK$3.3 million to each pilot for defamatory remarks it made against them.