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Anybody read the latest JNB status in the Security Red file at dispatch lately? MLO has included a caviet which says crews should avoid amongst other places the Malls and "crew should NOT leave the hotel complex"!!!!
Anyone else think this is totally absurd?
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Anyone else think this is totally absurd?
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Absolutely totally absurd , its a total cover up , they dont want us moving out of that dirty filthy hole. Hairs and dirty shower curtains in my room the other day DISGUSTING ! made me want to puke 
Personal security at high risk ports.
Something I do every time I go to Joburg and with some other ports as well and what I use to do all the time in PNG:
1. I have a separate wallet for going out. Currently it is my old wallet but in PNG I use to have one of those cheap surfers Velcro ones.
2. I always keep just enough cash in the wallet to keep the thieves happy.
3. Don’t have anything else of value in it especially credit cards, drivers licences, ID cards etc. Basically the things that are a pain in the a**e to replace.
4. Make sure all the data on your mobile phone is backed up onto your computer at home. Consider taking your old mobile to places like Joburg if the theft of your main one would cause significant financial stress if stolen.
5. I always leave my wedding ring in my hotel safe. In PNG I also had a cheap watch I wore out but don’t bother doing that in Joburg.
6. Finally all my valuables in my hotel room I lock in the safe. Again things that would be a pain in the a**e if stolen like my crew ID, licences, passports, main wallet etc.
Remember if you do get held up, it is vitally important you don’t put up any resistance. Do as you are told and in most cases you will be unharmed.
1. I have a separate wallet for going out. Currently it is my old wallet but in PNG I use to have one of those cheap surfers Velcro ones.
2. I always keep just enough cash in the wallet to keep the thieves happy.
3. Don’t have anything else of value in it especially credit cards, drivers licences, ID cards etc. Basically the things that are a pain in the a**e to replace.
4. Make sure all the data on your mobile phone is backed up onto your computer at home. Consider taking your old mobile to places like Joburg if the theft of your main one would cause significant financial stress if stolen.
5. I always leave my wedding ring in my hotel safe. In PNG I also had a cheap watch I wore out but don’t bother doing that in Joburg.
6. Finally all my valuables in my hotel room I lock in the safe. Again things that would be a pain in the a**e if stolen like my crew ID, licences, passports, main wallet etc.
Remember if you do get held up, it is vitally important you don’t put up any resistance. Do as you are told and in most cases you will be unharmed.
Capt Fathom
Yes I am. I realise that some staff have access to these and they can be carried off by thieves but by also leaving your TV on with the volume slightly turned up and the curtains drawn most thieves will probably move on to the next room. If the room requires an electronic room key to keep the power on, any card will work. I usually use my gym membership card.
Yes I am. I realise that some staff have access to these and they can be carried off by thieves but by also leaving your TV on with the volume slightly turned up and the curtains drawn most thieves will probably move on to the next room. If the room requires an electronic room key to keep the power on, any card will work. I usually use my gym membership card.
100% agree. I've been doing just those things he suggests for the last 10 years. Ever since guys lost their wallets in LA.
I also never get the room made up, who needs it anyway for 1 or 2 nights.
I'm amazed when other crew leave their wallets/phones etc on display in the room while they are not there.
I also never get the room made up, who needs it anyway for 1 or 2 nights.
I'm amazed when other crew leave their wallets/phones etc on display in the room while they are not there.
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Hi Guys & Girls
I am a South African and proud to be one.
I also acknowledge that the country (probably one of the nicest places on earth) does have its problems with crime and especially violent attacks and robberies such as the one supposedly described earlier.
We also have a very different problem as my one Israeli friend recently put it:
- I do agree that when mugged by an armed thug in the 1st world it is probably safest to comply and you will probably live and not get hurt.
- However if we study the available details (though limited at best) of crime in South Africa carefully we find that in most cases the thugs will steal your cash and stuff. They will then in all probability rape the ladies before killing them and also kill the men, before making off.
- This leads to several problems of which the determination of weather to fight back or not is one. Basic techniques of hand to hand combat as probably taught to most Cabin Crew members will often save the day.
The fact that so many people in South Africa have decided not to be a victim of crime but part of the solution has made many neighbourhoods safer places.
Our community have started and have also now started learning how to resist even armed attackers while not even being armed ourselves. And beleive it is not rocket science just basic common sense and suitable techniques that are employed. The crime rate in our area has declined.
What I am saying is there is an appropriate response to every situation and to be a passive victim in not always the right response especially in a country like South Africa.
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I am a South African and proud to be one.
I also acknowledge that the country (probably one of the nicest places on earth) does have its problems with crime and especially violent attacks and robberies such as the one supposedly described earlier.
We also have a very different problem as my one Israeli friend recently put it:
We try to apply standards and methods that work perfectly in the 1st world to a country that really is part of the 3rd world
- However if we study the available details (though limited at best) of crime in South Africa carefully we find that in most cases the thugs will steal your cash and stuff. They will then in all probability rape the ladies before killing them and also kill the men, before making off.
- This leads to several problems of which the determination of weather to fight back or not is one. Basic techniques of hand to hand combat as probably taught to most Cabin Crew members will often save the day.
The fact that so many people in South Africa have decided not to be a victim of crime but part of the solution has made many neighbourhoods safer places.
Our community have started and have also now started learning how to resist even armed attackers while not even being armed ourselves. And beleive it is not rocket science just basic common sense and suitable techniques that are employed. The crime rate in our area has declined.
What I am saying is there is an appropriate response to every situation and to be a passive victim in not always the right response especially in a country like South Africa.
HF
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I think your advice is in most cases extremely unwise. For the record Papua New Guinea (PNG) has a very similar problem to South Africa and is most definitely a third world country. I worked there for almost three years. Unless you are armed and have the opportunity to defend yourself, to tell someone, especially someone who is unfamiliar with your country and lacks the skill to fight back will, in most cases cost them their life.
I think your advice is in most cases extremely unwise. For the record Papua New Guinea (PNG) has a very similar problem to South Africa and is most definitely a third world country. I worked there for almost three years. Unless you are armed and have the opportunity to defend yourself, to tell someone, especially someone who is unfamiliar with your country and lacks the skill to fight back will, in most cases cost them their life.
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Hans Flyer,
I couldn't disagree with you more "as a fellow South African", an aggressive response will almost certainly put you and yours in a body bag. From experience I can tell you that the right choice in most circumstances is give in to your aggressors and you may live to write about it on this forum.
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I couldn't disagree with you more "as a fellow South African", an aggressive response will almost certainly put you and yours in a body bag. From experience I can tell you that the right choice in most circumstances is give in to your aggressors and you may live to write about it on this forum.
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A breakthrough! A revelation! At last I am able to fathom why many don't buy a round on a run ashore-they are carrying their "Nightstop Wallet" and thus are insolvent and according to Hansflyer, weather plays a part in this too!
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"Basic techniques of hand to hand combat as probably taught to most Cabin Crew members will often save the day."[/
errr... is this some sort of saffer joke?
Your use of the word "probably" would suggest you don't work for CX. An experienced armed motivated male attacker, versus, a petite chinese female victim, "probably" trained in basic unarmed combat techniques, albeit equally motivated, is only ever going to have one outcome. That outcome will be fatal for one of them... guess which one?
"Often" sounds like bad odds to me. Hand the wallet over and plan your escape would seem to give the best odds... surely not even in your local oasis of low crime utopia does every burglary or mugging end in murder.
errr... is this some sort of saffer joke?
Your use of the word "probably" would suggest you don't work for CX. An experienced armed motivated male attacker, versus, a petite chinese female victim, "probably" trained in basic unarmed combat techniques, albeit equally motivated, is only ever going to have one outcome. That outcome will be fatal for one of them... guess which one?
"Often" sounds like bad odds to me. Hand the wallet over and plan your escape would seem to give the best odds... surely not even in your local oasis of low crime utopia does every burglary or mugging end in murder.
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In 90% of tourist bus hijacks in South Africa the driver or the hotel staff are in on the crime. The solution is to stay at the airport hotels. There are two Holiday Inns at the airport. SAA uses the one for their outbase crews. You may also want to consider an armed escort if you leave the hotel as airline crews are known to be flush with S&T and are as in demand as diplomats and Nigerian drug dealers.
jbayfan
I’m sorry. That isn’t a solution. That’s just giving in. It’s akin to asking a local South African to become a hermit and not leave their house. Life is to be lived, not to be lived in fear.
The solution is to stay at the airport hotels.
At the very minimum, the airline that employs you to fly to and overnight these high-risk ports should provide adequate instruction, training and guidance on how to survive the experience when your duty assigns you to such places.
Oh I forgot...that would require a DFO who had a even basic understanding of what flight operations entailed and who was prepared to ensure the safety of his crews...
Oh I forgot...that would require a DFO who had a even basic understanding of what flight operations entailed and who was prepared to ensure the safety of his crews...