Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > PPRuNe Worldwide > Fragrant Harbour
Reload this Page >

Cathay Pacific Returns to Profit on Fuel-Hedging Gain

Wikiposts
Search
Fragrant Harbour A forum for the large number of pilots (expats and locals) based with the various airlines in Hong Kong. Air Traffic Controllers are also warmly welcomed into the forum.

Cathay Pacific Returns to Profit on Fuel-Hedging Gain

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 5th Aug 2009, 05:23
  #1 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Honkers
Posts: 16
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Cathay Pacific Returns to Profit on Fuel-Hedging Gain

Cathay Pacific Returns to Profit on Fuel-Hedging Gain (Update1)


Share | Email | Print | A A A



By Wendy Leung


Aug. 5 (Bloomberg) -- Cathay Pacific Airways Ltd., Hong Kong’s biggest carrier, returned to profit in the first half after a HK$2.1 billion ($271 million) fuel-hedging gain offset a drop in traffic amid the global recession.
The airline posted net income of HK$812 million compared with a restated loss of HK$760 million a year earlier, the carrier said in a Hong Kong stock exchange filing today. The airline was estimated to make a HK$475 million profit, based on the median of six analysts.
The carrier ended a run of two straight losses helped by paper profits from fuel hedging following a 57 percent jump in the price of oil. The gain allowed Cathay to weather a plunge in global air travel that contributed to Singapore Airlines Ltd.’s first quarterly loss in six years.
“Full-year earnings will depend on a pick-up in premium traffic,” said Winson Fong, who helps manage about $2 billion at SG Asset Management H.K. Ltd. “Fuel-hedging gains really aren’t something to evaluate the company’s performance on.”
Cathay made an operating profit, or sales minus the cost of goods sold and selling, general and administrative expenses, of HK$2 billion, according to the statement. Sales fell 27 percent to HK$30.9 billion.
Less Capacity
The airline has altered its network, cut capacity, offered staff unpaid leave and delayed a new cargo terminal to curb costs amid the travel slump.
“Yields plunged rapidly in the second quarter,” said Allen Wong, an analyst at Quam Ltd. “Earnings in the second half may improve on increasing traffic as the impact of swine flu eases and the economies of the U.S. and China recover.”
Across the Asia-Pacific region, international passenger traffic fell 15 percent in June on the economy and concerns about H1N1, according to the International Air Transport Association. Carriers worldwide may lose a combined $9 billion this year, IATA has said.
Singapore Airlines said last week it may post its first annual loss in 24 years because of plunging traffic. British Airways Plc also reported a quarterly loss last week and said that yields will continue to decline.
Cathay, controlled by Swire Pacific Ltd., rose 2.4 percent to HK$12.94 as at the 12:30 p.m. trading break in Hong Kong. The earnings came after the end of the morning session. The carrier has risen 48 percent this year, compared with an 21 percent gain for Singapore Airlines.
The Hong Kong carrier slumped to its first annual loss in a decade last year after making HK$7.6 billion of unrealized losses on fuel hedges stretching out until 2011. The carrier suffered the losses after oil prices tumbled 69 percent from a record in less than six months last year.
The airline may make a HK$1.3 billion full-year profit, according to the median of eight analyst estimates complied by Bloomberg.
To contact the reporter on this story: Wendy Leung in Hong Kong at [email protected]
Last Updated: August 5, 2009 00:52 EDT
F Scaler is offline  
Old 5th Aug 2009, 07:11
  #2 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: In your mind.
Posts: 136
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
"The airline may make a HK$1.3 billion full-year profit, according to the median of eight analyst estimates complied by Bloomberg. "

I see. If the 13th month isn't there I'm going to be mighty unhappy.
Rook is offline  
Old 5th Aug 2009, 07:13
  #3 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: MARS
Posts: 156
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
For all of the problems we face, we have not changed our position about your jobs, and we have no plans at this stage to respond to the revenue crisis with layoffs.
Of course we can’t guarantee jobs for life – that’s not the way the world works any more – but we know that our team and our network are the keys to our success, and our future.

Best regards,
Tony Tyler Chief Executive
I sincerely hope that the man is not even thinking of asking for more SLS, because if he is, I'm afraid I have some bad news for him....
AD POSSE AD ESSE is offline  
Old 5th Aug 2009, 07:47
  #4 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Australia
Posts: 2,167
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Not just the 13th month but I want the LWOP back as well. Like they did after SARS.

No damn excuses accepted.
nitpicker330 is offline  
Old 5th Aug 2009, 10:07
  #5 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: London
Posts: 9
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Did you read the Chairman's Statement ?
Towards the end it mentions an 'Underlying loss' for the FH of 2009 of $3467.
Sounds like more SLS to me !
BIMBO HIMONASHI is offline  
Old 5th Aug 2009, 11:07
  #6 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: phuket
Age: 54
Posts: 1
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
They are never happy!!

We make a paper loss, they winge! We make a paper profit, they winge even more!! What I want to know ..... do we get a "paper" profit share!!!
skyman744 is offline  
Old 5th Aug 2009, 11:36
  #7 (permalink)  
SIC
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Hotels everywhere
Posts: 217
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Don't worry gents. That 7+ billion loss from last year on fuel is now 2 billion less - and we still have till 2011 until all the hedges are wound up. Watch this space but I predict that over the course of the three years the 7 billion loss will actually turn out to be a profit of several billion ( if fuel prices keep going up - which I think they will )

So we can all look forward to a nice bit of profit share in 2011.
SIC is offline  
Old 5th Aug 2009, 12:29
  #8 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Paradise
Posts: 181
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Red face

Yeah, I want my SLS paid back too! Oh, hang on, I never took it.

Perhaps it was because I am still waiting for them to pay the hundreds of thousands they owe me in unpaid bypass pay? And for them to start assessing SOs as "suitable". And to stop recruiting DEFOs. And DECs. And generally ignoring my contract wholesale...
superfrozo is offline  
Old 5th Aug 2009, 12:38
  #9 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Honkers
Posts: 377
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
It's simple.

If the company make any profit they should give us our SLS back. We should not be giving them unpaid leave to remain in profit.

A disgrace!!!!!!!!!!!!!
badairsucker is offline  
Old 5th Aug 2009, 14:00
  #10 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Posts: 471
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
They read this site
I want my SLS back
fire wall is offline  
Old 5th Aug 2009, 15:32
  #11 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Hong Kong
Posts: 249
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
badairsucker from another thread!

Ok, I see you are a little stupid my friend. SLS was a individual choice. No one told you to take it!!!!!!
So tell me why are you now complaining
Flap10 is offline  
Old 5th Aug 2009, 16:42
  #12 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: 3.5 from TD
Age: 47
Posts: 1,042
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
All you whiners deserve what you got. You took SLS without proof that it was needed. Can't say I feel sorry for you.

And don't give me this "oh, I just wanted the time off" bull. Nothing has changed and I'm sure you will take it again when it is "offered".

Please do, I have been enjoying the overtime and larger paychecks.
Sqwak7700 is offline  
Old 6th Aug 2009, 01:23
  #13 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: mars
Posts: 206
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I'll have the time off and be on a beach in Thailand, rather than report for work.... you can have the OT, 50 hrs a month is more than enough for me
Humber10 is offline  
Old 6th Aug 2009, 01:33
  #14 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Honkers
Posts: 377
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
So tell me why are you now complaining

As I said before Flap 10, if you need me to explain why, then you really are as stupid as I thought.
badairsucker is offline  
Old 6th Aug 2009, 01:46
  #15 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: I go, therefore I am there!
Posts: 202
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
A New York Times article has a slightly different tone to the doom and gloom we are bombarded with!

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/05/bu....10728228.html

Dowturns are all relative and from the US, ours must look mild!
arse is offline  
Old 6th Aug 2009, 01:56
  #16 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Hong Kong
Posts: 249
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Actually badairsucker you are one dumb little bitch that has gotten slapped one too many times. Lets face it you'll be the first to defend the AoA and the first to abandon your AoA mates. You've already proved it!
Flap10 is offline  
Old 6th Aug 2009, 02:12
  #17 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Hong Kong
Posts: 254
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Please tell me Flap10, badairsucker and Squak7700 are 15 year-old boys playing on dad's computer?

I would find it regrettable that professional pilots could be so abusive and childish in their discourse towards each other. "One dumb little bitch" - surely you can play grown-ups long enough to provide posts that are at least slightly more eloquent.

Back to the topic at hand: We have been told that the savings engendered by SLS would be returned when a profit was made. How soon then can we expect the 1 month salary from CX to be in our payslips?

Assume it will be forthcoming in the August payroll?

Now back to the kids throwing tantrums at each other..........
A. Le Rhone is offline  
Old 6th Aug 2009, 02:39
  #18 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Hong Kong
Posts: 249
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
A. Le Rhone,

Wars and disputes are not won by people being civilized and eloquent.

I would find it regrettable that professional pilots could be so abusive and childish
You obviously have not walked a picket line before as a professional pilot. Let me tell you it is a sight to behold, but I digress!

Back to the topic at hand: We have been told that the savings engendered by SLS would be returned when a profit was made. How soon then can we expect the 1 month salary from CX to be in our payslips?
Actually if you recall the FAQ prior to the SLS deadline for staff, TT was asked whether the SLS would be paid back when the company was profitable again, and he answered something to the effect of, "no, but you will be working for a company that will be in a stronger financial position".
Flap10 is offline  
Old 6th Aug 2009, 03:44
  #19 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Hong Kong
Posts: 41
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
We make a paper loss, they winge! We make a paper profit, they winge even more!! What I want to know ..... do we get a "paper" profit share!!!
The best thing I've heard so far.

CX can never make money, we will always either make a paper loss or operating loss, because it seems paper profit doesn't count.
cxhk is offline  
Old 6th Aug 2009, 05:03
  #20 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: A Happy Place
Age: 52
Posts: 101
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Reminds me of an old favourite, 'You spin me right round, baby right round like a record baby right round, round, round...'

I bet they have that one playing on repeat on the 7th floor.
Loiter1 is offline  


Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.