SCMP, letters to Ed, today
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SCMP, letters to Ed, today
Just for a change of pace, another 
wit, green with envy and completely devoid of any facts wrote into the SCMP, letters to the Ed, today.
Apparently, if CX was'nt paying their pilots so much, in particular housing allowance, then they would be financially in the pink.
So the up with the freight fine and the fuel hedging is not the problem at all, its the pilots fault, Brilliant 
What does this moron think we are here for ? our health.
Why are these weeds coming out from under their rocks now ? Maybe a mate of TTs or NRs
PS: For those who did'nt read it, it is directed at those bloody CX pilots who are buying out South Lantau
wit, green with envy and completely devoid of any facts wrote into the SCMP, letters to the Ed, today.Apparently, if CX was'nt paying their pilots so much, in particular housing allowance, then they would be financially in the pink.
So the
up with the freight fine and the fuel hedging is not the problem at all, its the pilots fault, Brilliant What does this moron think we are here for ? our health.
Why are these weeds coming out from under their rocks now ? Maybe a mate of TTs or NRs
PS: For those who did'nt read it, it is directed at those bloody CX pilots who are buying out South Lantau
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What can I say. Somehow, pilots have become the object of hatred of the masses. When things start going wrong, everybody starts blaming crooked banker, child rapists and airline pilots...
I still don't understand why. Especially in HK where there are legions on expats making ridiculous amounts of money working for the finance sector. Or is it just that some people can't accept the fact that other people try to make a stand and fight for their conditions and lifestyle? Are we expected to say: We make enough money, let's sacrifice some of it for our beloved airline who has always gone off the track to help it's pilots out?
Anyway, another pointless and unsubstantiated accusation.
I still don't understand why. Especially in HK where there are legions on expats making ridiculous amounts of money working for the finance sector. Or is it just that some people can't accept the fact that other people try to make a stand and fight for their conditions and lifestyle? Are we expected to say: We make enough money, let's sacrifice some of it for our beloved airline who has always gone off the track to help it's pilots out?
Anyway, another pointless and unsubstantiated accusation.
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For how long is CX going to continue defrauding its shareholders by appeasing these union bludgers? CX should not be a closed shop.Terms and conditions should be adjusted to market.
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Most of us are still trying to come to grips with why anyone would want to live in Sth Lantau! 
They list the benefits as being near the airport, typically not a plus anywhere else in the world, and the fact that there is a road going in! Wonderful! 
(tongue in cheek Sth Lantauians, we appreciate how sensitive you are!)
They list the benefits as being near the airport, typically not a plus anywhere else in the world, and the fact that there is a road going in! Wonderful! (tongue in cheek Sth Lantauians, we appreciate how sensitive you are!)
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Here is the article & its reply!
Some of you guys not in Aviation (or CX) should just stay out of it!
I wish Pprune gave us a private forum!
Pilots still live the good life
May 11, 2009
In response to Mark Peaker's letter ("Support Cathay in difficult time", May 4), I dispute that Cathay Pacific (SEHK: 0293) is in any financial trouble, faces ongoing difficulties or requires our sympathy.
This is clear by the continued excessive housing subsidies and salaries paid to pilots.
Click here to find out more!
Anyone feeling sorry for this firm should visit South Lantau where nearly every new or second-hand home purchase is made by a Cathay pilot.
Cathay's management could reduce a significant amount of recurring cost from its operations by eliminating or significantly reducing these excessive allowances. However, there appears to be little desire to do this, instead favouring such measures as unpaid leave.
These blanket policies affect lower-paid cabin crew and ground staff while protecting fat-cat pilots.
Can Cathay's management team justify excessive housing allowances and salaries to the public and shareholders?
Craig Sanderson, Lantau
REPLY
Pilots haven't had a pay rise in 10 years, even as inflation bites
May 14, 2009
Craig Sanderson ("Pilots still live the good life", May 11) clearly does not have a very clear picture of the actual remuneration package of Cathay Pacific (SEHK: 0293) pilots, nor does he appear to understand the new unpaid leave scheme put forward by the company.
For a start, the scheme that Cathay Pacific proposed to its employees does not favour pilots at all - as your seniority within the company rises, so too does the percentage of your pay that will be cut.
Those with the lowest-paid positions in the company will forfeit only about 3.8 per cent of their salary over six months, while higher ranks such as pilots will forfeit as much as 15.4 per cent of their salary.
Second, Cathay Pacific pilots have not had a pay rise in about 10 years, and in some cases the only adjustment to their salary over this period has been a pay cut.
The average consumer price index rise over this period of about 4 per cent has seen the pay package of all Cathay pilots deteriorate significantly.
Furthermore, changes made to the provident fund mean that many of Cathay's pilots feel they must take advantage of their housing allowance to pay off a mortgage if they are to have any chance of having sufficient savings for retirement.
Mr Sanderson refers to Cathay pilots as "fat cats". He belittles our profession without any idea of the skill that is required to be a pilot in the modern environment, or the work we put in to maintain and improve our skills as professionals.
I put it to Mr Sanderson that, if he were to be on an aircraft with a serious malfunction, he would be hard pressed to find a more capable set of hands with which to entrust his safety than a Cathay Pacific pilot.
Perhaps there is another reason why he writes to the South China Morning Post (SEHK: 0583, announcements, news) . He appears to be bitter about something.
Is he really concerned about the public welfare or the Cathay Pacific shareholders, or is he more concerned about his own ability to buy a house on Lantau?
I wish Pprune gave us a private forum!
Pilots still live the good life
May 11, 2009
In response to Mark Peaker's letter ("Support Cathay in difficult time", May 4), I dispute that Cathay Pacific (SEHK: 0293) is in any financial trouble, faces ongoing difficulties or requires our sympathy.
This is clear by the continued excessive housing subsidies and salaries paid to pilots.
Click here to find out more!
Anyone feeling sorry for this firm should visit South Lantau where nearly every new or second-hand home purchase is made by a Cathay pilot.
Cathay's management could reduce a significant amount of recurring cost from its operations by eliminating or significantly reducing these excessive allowances. However, there appears to be little desire to do this, instead favouring such measures as unpaid leave.
These blanket policies affect lower-paid cabin crew and ground staff while protecting fat-cat pilots.
Can Cathay's management team justify excessive housing allowances and salaries to the public and shareholders?
Craig Sanderson, Lantau
REPLY
Pilots haven't had a pay rise in 10 years, even as inflation bites
May 14, 2009
Craig Sanderson ("Pilots still live the good life", May 11) clearly does not have a very clear picture of the actual remuneration package of Cathay Pacific (SEHK: 0293) pilots, nor does he appear to understand the new unpaid leave scheme put forward by the company.
For a start, the scheme that Cathay Pacific proposed to its employees does not favour pilots at all - as your seniority within the company rises, so too does the percentage of your pay that will be cut.
Those with the lowest-paid positions in the company will forfeit only about 3.8 per cent of their salary over six months, while higher ranks such as pilots will forfeit as much as 15.4 per cent of their salary.
Second, Cathay Pacific pilots have not had a pay rise in about 10 years, and in some cases the only adjustment to their salary over this period has been a pay cut.
The average consumer price index rise over this period of about 4 per cent has seen the pay package of all Cathay pilots deteriorate significantly.
Furthermore, changes made to the provident fund mean that many of Cathay's pilots feel they must take advantage of their housing allowance to pay off a mortgage if they are to have any chance of having sufficient savings for retirement.
Mr Sanderson refers to Cathay pilots as "fat cats". He belittles our profession without any idea of the skill that is required to be a pilot in the modern environment, or the work we put in to maintain and improve our skills as professionals.
I put it to Mr Sanderson that, if he were to be on an aircraft with a serious malfunction, he would be hard pressed to find a more capable set of hands with which to entrust his safety than a Cathay Pacific pilot.
Perhaps there is another reason why he writes to the South China Morning Post (SEHK: 0583, announcements, news) . He appears to be bitter about something.
Is he really concerned about the public welfare or the Cathay Pacific shareholders, or is he more concerned about his own ability to buy a house on Lantau?
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Not even close B.A.S, it was a tongue in cheek comment. Enjoy the new road though! 
Think of the fun you will have on it! Wohoo!
Think of the fun you will have on it! Wohoo!
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next one -
This is what this is all about: A norwegian woman living in Pui O, South Lantau made public defamatory statements about CX pilots in South Lantau.
(I believe there was another thread about this recently, but it just fits in nicely here)
That would be negligable if this was just any old (censored for public forum) being envious of us pilots, however this woman calls herself a journalist and hosts a radio programme on RTHK. (It's a cantonese learning programme).
My intention is to put an end to this lying about CX pilots once and for all - I want to take her off the air.
Here's the article: They Don’t Give A Flying Flock at China Droll
If you're as peeveded off as I am, copy and paste the attached complaint to the following email address:
[email protected]
Complaint against Radio Programme Host - Cecilie Gamst Berg
Dear Madam/Sir,
I herewith lodge an official complaint against the host of the radio show "Naked Cantonese" - Cecilie Gamst Berg.
Ms. Gamst Berg has recently published various statements to publicly defame a whole community of people living in South Lantau. Without making any effort to check her facts, she viciously accused Cathay Pacific employees of stealing, cheating, being involved in property scams, dumping construction waste and other illegal activities.
Not only are these accusations simply unfounded and only based on her envious imagination, but the truth could have been easily found out with just a little bit of journalistic effort and sense of ethics on her side. Even after being educated about this, Ms. Gamst Berg refuses to apologise or retract her statements.
I do not believe that RTHK is willing to be associated with this kind of "journalism" and demand the immediate removal of Ms. Gamst Berg from any public radio show.
It is simply unacceptable that a person who publicly spreads lies is given a platform on a public Hong Kong radio programme. I will take the matter to the press if required.
(your name)
(I believe there was another thread about this recently, but it just fits in nicely here)
That would be negligable if this was just any old (censored for public forum) being envious of us pilots, however this woman calls herself a journalist and hosts a radio programme on RTHK. (It's a cantonese learning programme).
My intention is to put an end to this lying about CX pilots once and for all - I want to take her off the air.
Here's the article: They Don’t Give A Flying Flock at China Droll
If you're as peeveded off as I am, copy and paste the attached complaint to the following email address:
[email protected]
Complaint against Radio Programme Host - Cecilie Gamst Berg
Dear Madam/Sir,
I herewith lodge an official complaint against the host of the radio show "Naked Cantonese" - Cecilie Gamst Berg.
Ms. Gamst Berg has recently published various statements to publicly defame a whole community of people living in South Lantau. Without making any effort to check her facts, she viciously accused Cathay Pacific employees of stealing, cheating, being involved in property scams, dumping construction waste and other illegal activities.
Not only are these accusations simply unfounded and only based on her envious imagination, but the truth could have been easily found out with just a little bit of journalistic effort and sense of ethics on her side. Even after being educated about this, Ms. Gamst Berg refuses to apologise or retract her statements.
I do not believe that RTHK is willing to be associated with this kind of "journalism" and demand the immediate removal of Ms. Gamst Berg from any public radio show.
It is simply unacceptable that a person who publicly spreads lies is given a platform on a public Hong Kong radio programme. I will take the matter to the press if required.
(your name)
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So this idiot is not even Chinese ?
Gauva, your usual standard of intelligent post
I bet you were keen as mustard to have CX spend 1,000,000hkd on your training but now you sit in the jumpseat green with envy, have I got that about right ?
Take some of your own advice, leave and go to a better job
Gauva, your usual standard of intelligent post
I bet you were keen as mustard to have CX spend 1,000,000hkd on your training but now you sit in the jumpseat green with envy, have I got that about right ?
Take some of your own advice, leave and go to a better job
That's easy then. Alll Cathay Pacific have to do to save a lot of money is stop paying it's expat pilots housing and education allowances. And when they all leave, they can replace them with all those Hong Kong nationals who are sitting at home with ATPLs and without a job.
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hongkongfooey said
so far almost none of the pitiable fools that publicly displayed "pilot envy" in the
SCMP are chinese ...
Pls copy & send that email to RTHK and any friends that would like to give their support.
So this idiot is not even Chinese ?
SCMP are chinese ...
Pls copy & send that email to RTHK and any friends that would like to give their support.
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Sorry, should have been clearer, I thought that moron Cecil was Chinese ( ie a local ), the fact she is'nt makes her racist vitriole even more ridiculous.
Email has been sent
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thanks everybody who forwarded the letter of complaint to RTHK.
I received the following email in reply today:
Even though no formal action has been taken I am sure she had a very memorable day at the office as she got invitated to explain all these lies to her superiors.
One can only hope she's learnt her lesson.
I received the following email in reply today:
Thanks for your recent message concerning Cecilie Gamst Berg.
Dear xyz,
As I understand the matter, Ms. Gamst Berg made the comments you object to on a personal blog which has no connection to Radio 3 or RTHK. On our station she is employed solely to give a weekly lesson in Cantonese.
Please note also that she is in no way 'given a platform' on RTHK.
Given this, I have to inform you that we have no intention of acting against Ms. Gamst Berg.
Regards
Hugh Chiverton
Head, RTHK Radio 3
Dear xyz,
As I understand the matter, Ms. Gamst Berg made the comments you object to on a personal blog which has no connection to Radio 3 or RTHK. On our station she is employed solely to give a weekly lesson in Cantonese.
Please note also that she is in no way 'given a platform' on RTHK.
Given this, I have to inform you that we have no intention of acting against Ms. Gamst Berg.
Regards
Hugh Chiverton
Head, RTHK Radio 3
One can only hope she's learnt her lesson.
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"Especially in HK where there are legions on expats making ridiculous amounts of money working for the finance sector"
Have you considered joining the finance sector then?
"....sufficient savings for retirement." Sufficient, as determined by ......you?
"I put it to Mr Sanderson that, if he were to be on an aircraft with a serious malfunction, he would be hard pressed to find a more capable set of hands with which to entrust his safety than a Cathay Pacific pilot."
You guys really have tickets on yourselves don't you. What makes a CX pilot safer than a pilot WN? Or BA. CX is a small airline that flies few sectors compared to shorthaul airlines in North America and Europe.
Have you considered joining the finance sector then?
"....sufficient savings for retirement." Sufficient, as determined by ......you?
"I put it to Mr Sanderson that, if he were to be on an aircraft with a serious malfunction, he would be hard pressed to find a more capable set of hands with which to entrust his safety than a Cathay Pacific pilot."
You guys really have tickets on yourselves don't you. What makes a CX pilot safer than a pilot WN? Or BA. CX is a small airline that flies few sectors compared to shorthaul airlines in North America and Europe.
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You guys really have tickets on yourselves don't you. What makes a CX pilot safer than a pilot WN? Or BA. CX is a small airline that flies few sectors compared to shorthaul airlines in North America and Europe.