Pilots fired for attempt at take off from taxiway
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Pilots fired for attempt at take off from taxiway
http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/worl.../15/2003431142
The Captain and the FO both fired for trying to take off from Taxiway.
The Captain and the FO both fired for trying to take off from Taxiway.
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Interesting...
I think the companies justification for firing the guy's involved, along with the other 16 that were released at the same or similar times was:
"tough trading environment and competitive times"
Let the lies continue....
I think the companies justification for firing the guy's involved, along with the other 16 that were released at the same or similar times was:
"tough trading environment and competitive times"
Let the lies continue....
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That was what the liars said Float, but they are/were still hiring and had pilots undergoing training at the time. Blatant discrimination.
I'm not sure why they are still hiring tho, just more redundancy payouts to make when they go down the gurgler in a few months.
Noteworthy that Hainan have now applied for Government handouts, no doubt partially due to the millions they have been flushing down the toilet with HKA.
I'm not sure why they are still hiring tho, just more redundancy payouts to make when they go down the gurgler in a few months.
Noteworthy that Hainan have now applied for Government handouts, no doubt partially due to the millions they have been flushing down the toilet with HKA.
Sorry to appear judgemental but if I took a commercial airliner off from Goddam taxiway I'd EXPECT to be fired. Nothing to do with the colour of my skin. Just the fact that I'm bloody incompetent!!!
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What has yet to be revealed in this incident is whether one of the HKA managers pressured (ironically under the fear of being fired) the First Officer to submit a fraudulent account (to align with the captains story) of the event to the CAD.
A couple of excellent quotes from a "management source" at Hong Kong Ailrines in the SCMP:
But it's good to see they're on top of the situation now and doing their utmost to ensure it won't happen again:
A management source at Hong Kong Airlines pointed out that the apron markings and lighting at Chek Lap Kok were so clear, a pilot would have to be "really, really stupid" to attempt to take off from a taxiway.
"The runway in Hong Kong is super-duper", he said. "It is a very colourful runway. You can see the lights very clearly, especially at 4 o'clock in the morning. So you have to be really, really stupid to try to take off from a taxiway with green lights".
"The runway in Hong Kong is super-duper", he said. "It is a very colourful runway. You can see the lights very clearly, especially at 4 o'clock in the morning. So you have to be really, really stupid to try to take off from a taxiway with green lights".
"We have also given everybody a map of the airport and told them "go home and study it before you sleep - that's where the runway is, so remember it" he said.
"thankfully this would not happen at CX as they respect loyalty and dont shoot from the hip. Their pilots are better trained."
Yeah, I have just been gainfully employed by NASA they said the deal clincher was my CX experience.
Yeah, I have just been gainfully employed by NASA they said the deal clincher was my CX experience.
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Jagman, don't be sorry, you are spot on !! There are certain mistakes that are unforgivable, taking off on a taxiway in CAVOK where the lighting is so obviously different is one of them.
I always like to ask the " there by the grace of god go I " brigade if they'd feel the same way if their family was on board and the " little mistake " killed them all.
It's not friigin' McDonalds, people are trusting you with their lives !!
I always like to ask the " there by the grace of god go I " brigade if they'd feel the same way if their family was on board and the " little mistake " killed them all.
It's not friigin' McDonalds, people are trusting you with their lives !!
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Hong Kong Fooey . It must be nice being superhuman and therefore incapable of making mistakes. I am sure this crew deliberately intended to take off from the taxiway and endanger all those lives. I will be the first to say that being professionals we are held to account and yes that means loosing our jobs at times like this. However I think you subsribe to the brigade that thinks we never make mistakes and believe me I would not want my family in the back with an attitude like that upfront !!
Over the years there have been many incidents of crews taking off or landing on taxiways , some with catatrophic results. Many other incidents and accidents too where human error was to blame. If you are arrogant enough to think that you can go through an entire career without even a mistake ( that may well have been trapped by someone else in the system) , then my friend you are a novice with much to learn. There is no professional pilot out there who was involved in a serious incident who believes , " it will never happen to me " , but many are the arm chair warriors who remain opiniated.
Over the years there have been many incidents of crews taking off or landing on taxiways , some with catatrophic results. Many other incidents and accidents too where human error was to blame. If you are arrogant enough to think that you can go through an entire career without even a mistake ( that may well have been trapped by someone else in the system) , then my friend you are a novice with much to learn. There is no professional pilot out there who was involved in a serious incident who believes , " it will never happen to me " , but many are the arm chair warriors who remain opiniated.
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The news article says "There have been two previous incidents involving planes attempting to take off from taxiways rather than runways at Hong Kong’s 11-year-old international airport."
Details anyone?
Details anyone?
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ice man , nope not when it comes to this. I sincerely feel sorry for you guys the day you make a mistake. If you live by these standards you will be judged by them.
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FOURGOLDS - you are hoisted by your own petard! Did you make this mistake which is why you want to pass on your message?
I did not give an opinion either way and it is something I strive very hard not to do even on clear days, you hopefully have strategies and procedures in place to prevent it. The last call I make before the levers go up is "normally" everybody happy!
Unfortunately rushing and cockpit dynamics (CRM) can cause mistakes to be made and not corrected. Overall it is better to be a couple of minutes late in this life than early in the next.
I did not give an opinion either way and it is something I strive very hard not to do even on clear days, you hopefully have strategies and procedures in place to prevent it. The last call I make before the levers go up is "normally" everybody happy!
Unfortunately rushing and cockpit dynamics (CRM) can cause mistakes to be made and not corrected. Overall it is better to be a couple of minutes late in this life than early in the next.