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DEC's and the AOA

Old 10th Nov 2008, 09:44
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Angry DEC's and the AOA

Could someone please advice if the AOA have taken, or are taking steps to sort the DEC mess?

What is the point of seniority?
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Old 10th Nov 2008, 10:13
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Grrr

Wasn't it CX who employed them?
So, i suspect NOTHING will or can be done about it.
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Old 10th Nov 2008, 22:46
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Realistically what can they do. The commands have been awarded in order of seniority to those that have put in a bid. Of course the more senior F/Os aren't going to bid for a lower paid job with reduced housing and no education fund are they!

Only problem I see is that I really can't remember seeing the HKG Freighter Commands ever being advertised.
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Old 11th Nov 2008, 08:58
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Its all part of the bigger problems we face at CX. This company imposes its wishes upon us and yet the AoA still has over 1000 (about 40%) non members.
Jack57, you can always write to the AoA to ask and they will send you a reply, i always do and i generally get quick answers, whether i agree with them or not.
If your question was a rhetorical one and you were really just questioning the AoAs tactics in this, again, ask the AoA, or are you not a member and part of the problem????
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Old 11th Nov 2008, 12:04
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As a paying member,one would EXPECT a reply from the AOA regarding issues..

In fact,they have a STANDARD letter..which goes something like this: "...we take note of your concern and will look into the matter..." BLAH BLAH BLAH..

And that's where it stops..NOTHING gets followed up,NOTHING actually gets done...

100% non-AOA..

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Old 11th Nov 2008, 16:47
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APAE,
There is no standard letter.

Wish you were really taking an interest.
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Old 11th Nov 2008, 17:29
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Nothing happens quickly round here but at least they're willing to have a go now. See PW's latest letter to the company re bypass pay for extendees on the freighter, which I see as a move in the right direction. If they're forced to pay bypass pay for extendees on the freighter then they'll be keen to negotiate an end to the nonsense.
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Old 11th Nov 2008, 23:45
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If they're forced to pay bypass pay for extendees on the freighter then they'll be keen to negotiate an end to the nonsense.
Forced? Now how can that happen?
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Old 12th Nov 2008, 02:37
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Wish you were really taking an interest
Busy B...

Oh,I have...been watching and laughing at the AOA CIRCUS for the past 10 years..
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Until freighter pay equals pax pay there will always be Commands out of seniority, whether it's DECs or S/Os, F/Os, it's a pay rise, a basing or not having to wait 10 years for a pax command.

Freighter pay will never equal pax pay as it will stall when it comes to bypass pay. The most junior pilot on the seniority list is often now a CAPTAIN!

The only way to fix it is a common jet pay, command will go back to strict seniority, however, as said bypass pay will be an issue, perhaps a forfeit of some bypass pay for short term pain vs long term gain?

I think you'd see guys who joined CX with the plan for a rapid command on the freighter rethinking their future in CX.
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Old 12th Nov 2008, 19:14
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Best post I have seen on PPRuNe in quite a while. 100% accurate!
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SMOC: I agree, as do most of us I think.

Sleeve: The same way they were forced to negotiate housing for bypassed LEPs. It's in the contract, they took the company to the labour department as a prelim to a court case and the company capitulated.
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