CX 777 Flyby CP sacked
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Reality?
Wow HP attacking the other "chiefs" for not being up to a "low slow flyby". I am sure we all hope so! How about injecting a sense of reality?
It was a stupid and reckless thing to do by all accounts.
Passengers on board, disabling warning systems, +/- 30 feet above the runway on a windy day, no practice, rehearsing beforehand and most likely breaking several FAA aviation rules.
How is this "chief" ever going to chastise or reprimand a junior pilot for stepping out of line or not following procedures?
Tough call?
It was a stupid and reckless thing to do by all accounts.
Passengers on board, disabling warning systems, +/- 30 feet above the runway on a windy day, no practice, rehearsing beforehand and most likely breaking several FAA aviation rules.
How is this "chief" ever going to chastise or reprimand a junior pilot for stepping out of line or not following procedures?
Tough call?
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CX 777 Flyby CP sacked
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I regret getting sucked into this.
300 tons of metal going > 200 kts not enough momentum for you?
Do you stand at the end of the runway watching every twin take
off wagging your finger at it and questioning its safety should an
engine fail? Well perhaps you should be since an engine failure
at this stage is far more critical. whats more is the fact that the
777 is more than capable. that was clearly a very stable
fly past and clearly not an attack on anyone on my part.
your strong use of expressions such as "attack" makes you sound
like a journalist looking for attention. don't sensationalize
a simple situation, and view on it.
Great fly-by.....beautiful aeroplane......
300 tons of metal going > 200 kts not enough momentum for you?
Do you stand at the end of the runway watching every twin take
off wagging your finger at it and questioning its safety should an
engine fail? Well perhaps you should be since an engine failure
at this stage is far more critical. whats more is the fact that the
777 is more than capable. that was clearly a very stable
fly past and clearly not an attack on anyone on my part.
your strong use of expressions such as "attack" makes you sound
like a journalist looking for attention. don't sensationalize
a simple situation, and view on it.
Great fly-by.....beautiful aeroplane......
This was a non-commercial delivery flight from the manufacturer to CX in Hong Kong.
With "appropriate training", this flyby can be executed safely and at the same time, still provide a spectacular display.
A rumour going around reports that the flyby was personally authorised by the Chief Pilot and also the CEO of CX...?
With "appropriate training", this flyby can be executed safely and at the same time, still provide a spectacular display.
A rumour going around reports that the flyby was personally authorised by the Chief Pilot and also the CEO of CX...?
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Great pic but not professional! CX flight ops will not be impressed. I am not too. Stupid boeing people. I don't allow my aircraft to do that and neither should others!
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i agree- they give us crap all the time on 'stabilised approaches' and THEY can do this! Double standards. Good for the goose is good for the gander! I don't think THEY have a grip on what really happens!
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I think a few of you need a chill pill.
Flybys have always been part of aviation and a delivery flight is one of those occasions where it's nice to have a bit of fun and a flyby is nice to see.
I the current strict SOP driven industry we all fly in it's a joy to see an aircraft doing a nice flyby.
As for safety, get a grip, it was flown by an experienced pilot doing a very straight forward flyby......
Please chill out
Flybys have always been part of aviation and a delivery flight is one of those occasions where it's nice to have a bit of fun and a flyby is nice to see.
I the current strict SOP driven industry we all fly in it's a joy to see an aircraft doing a nice flyby.
As for safety, get a grip, it was flown by an experienced pilot doing a very straight forward flyby......
Please chill out
bas,
I hope to God you dont fly for CX. If you think that this was "a very straight forward flyby" then we are all in deep caca.
I am not sure what is more of a concern, that we have a CP doing this (read I think he screwed up), or the supporters on this forum who seem to celebrate the great stunt. Has TEM or common sense not taught us anything.
This was dangerous and not "straight forward".
I dont submit alot of posts on this forum but the lack of understanding of the gravity of this event amazes me. I thought I could count on putting my family safely on the back of a CX jet, but after some of the comments here I have to seriously reconsider that. I hope it is just a bit of 777 fever and a new toy mentality rolled into one.
We are not a third world outfit but maybe some of us are starting to think like one.
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I hope to God you dont fly for CX. If you think that this was "a very straight forward flyby" then we are all in deep caca.
I am not sure what is more of a concern, that we have a CP doing this (read I think he screwed up), or the supporters on this forum who seem to celebrate the great stunt. Has TEM or common sense not taught us anything.
This was dangerous and not "straight forward".
I dont submit alot of posts on this forum but the lack of understanding of the gravity of this event amazes me. I thought I could count on putting my family safely on the back of a CX jet, but after some of the comments here I have to seriously reconsider that. I hope it is just a bit of 777 fever and a new toy mentality rolled into one.
We are not a third world outfit but maybe some of us are starting to think like one.
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Two experienced pilots flew 50-80kts above the stall margin at a low level. Whats the problem?
Twelve years ago you were called a poof if you needed to bring up the power above idle before 500' on a visual approach from the east lamma channel. How times have changed!
Twelve years ago you were called a poof if you needed to bring up the power above idle before 500' on a visual approach from the east lamma channel. How times have changed!
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Fair point NC, and absolutely correct. I was called a poof many times by some old school pilots in the earlier days of my 'career' in CX for the grossly conservative visual approaches to said airport. Winding the thrust up at 1000' was a complete waste of fuel - I see the error of my ways now!
Trouble is, I now get nervous if the FO hasn't achieved landing config by 2000' and hasn't got the thrust up by 1500'. Maybe I'm just getting old!
Trouble is, I now get nervous if the FO hasn't achieved landing config by 2000' and hasn't got the thrust up by 1500'. Maybe I'm just getting old!
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Although 99% of the cx chief pilots I have met have been arrogant, egotistical, rude, condescending, with below average flying skills and even worse management skills.............
Good on ya mate!!! Nice fly-by!!!
Too bad you didnt scrape the ass and lose your job!!!
Good on ya mate!!! Nice fly-by!!!
Too bad you didnt scrape the ass and lose your job!!!
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Daffyd, do you know the definition of V2? You have to clear a 35' screen height at the scheduled V2 speed according to your weight in takeoff configuration. For instance on a Classic 747 with a takeoff weight of 320,000kgs, the V2 is 169 knots (Flaps 10). The 777 in question was doing 200+ knots in a clean configuration at 50-80' and 300 tons weight. Jet aircraft are regularly below 100' at V2 speeds less than 200knots which takes care of a failed engine at the critical V1. Get real fellows, or are you jealous you were'nt on board