The Demise of Hong Kong Airlines
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Heard through the rumor mill that the newly appointed HKE DFO has resigned for greener pastures.
I wonder who will take his place??
Are the snakes on their way back ?
or will they find someone from outside the company?
A smart Hainan management team would rescue this airline but paying top dollar and hiring an EXPERIENCED and PROVEN management team from overseas and turn this airline around (read… a management team from any place other than Asia)
I don't think it will be an easy job to fill , after all they will be responsible for an ever decreasing pilot group as jobs become available and the wages offered and the experience levels reduce and training costs increase.
) is not commercially viable. Not only that, but by turning every pilot against the company, lowering morale to all time lows, AND basically forcing every pilot to have applications in elsewhere. If and when there is an upturn, those applications turn into interviews which in turn become job offers, which very quickly means HKE is understaffed and cancels flights. This loss of income for the company is SOLELY SWINE WU’S FAULT!Is the Hanain management aware Simon Wu is flushing HUGE money down the drain by "encouraging” pilots to leave, lowering the package to world wide lows for 737 and sacking pilots? It costs AT LEAST 150,000 USD (closer to 200,000) to train and check a captain to line (6 months plus all associated costs) and S.Wu has no concept of this when he simply sacks Millions of dollars of worth of highly trained pilots for no reason.
S.Wu’s lack of professionalism and aggressive behavior might very well be the beginning of .......the Demise of Hong Kong Airlines/Express.
Can some of the local brothers translate the best of this thread and in fact any negative media coverage into Chinese and send it to the president anonymously? Just go to your local pacific coffee or internet cafe sign up for a gmail account and send. (P.m me for his email) I think he (the president) is fed so much crap by Wu, and Lim he has no idea what is happening.
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Looks like the A330s are scheduled to arrive late next year. Good luck finding crews to operate them.
Full info here
http://www.onair.aero/admin/fil/23%2...ir%20Final.pdf
Geneva, Switzerland, 23 June 2009 – Hong Kong Airlines and OnAir today announced agreement to install full Mobile OnAir and Internet OnAir inflight passenger communications services on their new fleet of twin-aisle Airbus A330 aircraft – four A330-200 and six A330-300. These will be delivered starting November 2010, and will operate on routes in South-East Asia, China and North America.
http://www.onair.aero/admin/fil/23%2...ir%20Final.pdf
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Do you really think that with the current economic situation, it will be hard to find the crew necessary? The big boys are downsizing and everyone will be doing so for the next 18 months, at least. In fact, it is a surprise for a small outfit like HKA/ HKE to think of expanding!!!
When it comes to next year, the situation may probably get worse and if HKA/HKE do start hiring, take a number and join the queue.
Hoard gold, close the hatches and get your defenses up.
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When it comes to next year, the situation may probably get worse and if HKA/HKE do start hiring, take a number and join the queue.
Hoard gold, close the hatches and get your defenses up.
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You people don't know what is coming down...
The same people that stand to gain a fortune by panicking the share market and housing market are saying the worst is yet to come, what a
ing surprise. Pity all the sheep believe this bullHKA are a bunch of lying morons, the A330 story literally changes every month, only last month it was 3 x A330s this year now its 6 next year. HKA will never operate widebodies, IF they arrive they will go to Hainan through the back door which is the only reason the massive lossmaking HKA is kept running.
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HKA will never operate widebodies, IF they arrive they will go to Hainan through the back door which is the only reason the massive lossmaking HKA is kept running.
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To Be Advertised In Upcoming Flight International
WANTED: AIRBUS CAPTS/F/O'S
A struggling small time airline based in Hong Kong currently recruiting for Airbus A330 and A320 we may OR MAY NOT be getting.
Excellent LOCALLY TERMED renumeration will be offered to qualified candidates. Renumeration has been insanely devised by a mummy knitted vest wearing poof. This method of renumeration has been proven successful by the amount of pilots we have lost, Cathay and Dragon are so impressed the will soon follow this method.
As mentioned even though you are employed from overseas, you will be hired on local terms. However we can recommend a few government housing facilities located near by that you can share with other families. (our current capts and f/o's from SEA enjoy this communal type living, as it brings our community of useless pilots closer together).
We have excellent Training Captains available to completely retrain you. We realise that overseas pilots don't really learn much flying small piston aircraft. Our training capts have been through numerous training facilities, and we finally found one that will pass us! We know more about flying than any successful airline, and are very influential with local government officials. In fact we managed to get Jeppesen to put a big red mark on taxi plate so our pilots won't take off on taxiways. And on that note, if you do have an incident, we will forge to documents for you, what other airline will do that?
We have a very strict and thorough recuiting process. For that, we have Space Cadet T.Y.(a capt in f/o capacity) and you must send your resume to him. If he thinks you are as good as him, then you will be successful. He will however be monitoring your progress and will be making comments behind your back about how good he his, and how useless you are.
Lots of very experienced pilots from all over the world are going to give up their lifestyle and hard earned fortune to come and fly and be re-trained under us, so be quick with you application.
We will only reply IF we get these Airbuses.
Love from
Madam Wu
The so called "Brains" behind HKA
Vests will be issued upon successful completion of HKA brainwashing.
P.S. Multi jet INCLUDES any time you may have flying in formation with other jet aircraft
A struggling small time airline based in Hong Kong currently recruiting for Airbus A330 and A320 we may OR MAY NOT be getting.
Excellent LOCALLY TERMED renumeration will be offered to qualified candidates. Renumeration has been insanely devised by a mummy knitted vest wearing poof. This method of renumeration has been proven successful by the amount of pilots we have lost, Cathay and Dragon are so impressed the will soon follow this method.
As mentioned even though you are employed from overseas, you will be hired on local terms. However we can recommend a few government housing facilities located near by that you can share with other families. (our current capts and f/o's from SEA enjoy this communal type living, as it brings our community of useless pilots closer together).
We have excellent Training Captains available to completely retrain you. We realise that overseas pilots don't really learn much flying small piston aircraft. Our training capts have been through numerous training facilities, and we finally found one that will pass us! We know more about flying than any successful airline, and are very influential with local government officials. In fact we managed to get Jeppesen to put a big red mark on taxi plate so our pilots won't take off on taxiways. And on that note, if you do have an incident, we will forge to documents for you, what other airline will do that?
We have a very strict and thorough recuiting process. For that, we have Space Cadet T.Y.(a capt in f/o capacity) and you must send your resume to him. If he thinks you are as good as him, then you will be successful. He will however be monitoring your progress and will be making comments behind your back about how good he his, and how useless you are.
Lots of very experienced pilots from all over the world are going to give up their lifestyle and hard earned fortune to come and fly and be re-trained under us, so be quick with you application.
We will only reply IF we get these Airbuses.
Love from
Madam Wu
The so called "Brains" behind HKA
Vests will be issued upon successful completion of HKA brainwashing.
P.S. Multi jet INCLUDES any time you may have flying in formation with other jet aircraft
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What happened, to B-KBL? I read that it has been sold to a European operator (Air Italy)? New Reg: I-AIGN...but of course, they are just moving "old stock" out to bring the "new stock" in...??
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Bosses who snub labor awards will pay a high price
An interesting article was published in the Standard newspaper last week. See link.
http://i775.photobucket.com/albums/yy38/intelligentpilot/Standardarticle.jpg
The key points to the article.
· The employment bill 2009 will criminalize non payment of the awards.
· The government takes a serious view to safeguarding the entitlements of workers.
· The company is guilty of these offences (listed below) and this bill aims to prosecute individuals involved. Arrears of wages, annual leave pay, severance pay and other contractual payments.
· Some employer representatives agree that irresponsible companies that are financially able but unwilling to pay the awards should be sanctioned.
· Under the new bill and employer who fails to pay the employee the awards and entitlements under the ordinance “willfully and without reasonable excuse” will be liable to prosecution, with a maximum penalty of HK 350, 000 and 3 years imprisonment. It goes on to say that the company director or person responsible for nonpayment of award will also be liable for the same offence. (HKA S.W, and head of H.R dept HKE P.K. and the finance department heads who ignore the pilots. We are coming after you personally)
· The proposed measure should send a STRONG deterrent and send a clear message to the community that defaulting awards is a serious offence.
Dear HKE/HKA management.
You are ILLEGALLY underpaying the pilots annual leave pay according the labor ordinance. You have been informed, in writing and verbally by the HKEPA union and several individuals, including your DFO and GMF. You continue to ignore this and seem to invite a lawsuit.
Now individuals do not need to sue you personally because the government has had enough of your SHlT and will prosecute you themselves.
The government has put in place legislation so YOU personally will be seriously FINED, PROSECUTED and JAILED.
So to S.W, HKE H.R's P.K, the finance department heads, the CEO’s and the President, I look forward to the day your PROSECUTED for your ILLEGAL and unfair behavior. It is YOUR JOB to do the right thing and stand up to Hainan management if in fact it is HNA's policies that force you to break the law. But remember this; YOU will be prosecuted not HNA so YOU need to abide by the law and change policy to "make things right" This is not the mainland.
On another matter; I believe it is ILLEGAL that you’re reducing the annual leave days of the cabin crew because you say they only work 10-11 months. That is because of your FORCED LEAVE WITHOUT PAY.
Again you have been put on notice. I will applaud the judge who prosecutes you personally, or personally fines you. Change your policies and aggressive behavior or pay the consequences.
So to the pilots and crew that have been illegally underpaid and who are continuously fighting for the pathetic conditions that do remain and to the basic labor law that the company is simply ignoring; do not be afraid to phone the labor department anonymously and confidentially. You can speak to a representative and they will inform you if your rights have been violated and what action you can take. Here is a contact number. Contact hotline for labor department - 2717 1771. Perhaps the department will throw the book at the company if they get enough complaints.
Labor Laws found here - http://www.legislation.gov.hk/eng/home.htm
Other useful sites - http://www.labour.gov.hk/eng/welcome/content.htm
Sincerely, Intel
p.s can a local translate this to Mandarin and Cantonese and anonymously send to the management.
Thanks. If you need emails, P.m me.
http://i775.photobucket.com/albums/yy38/intelligentpilot/Standardarticle.jpg
The key points to the article.
· The employment bill 2009 will criminalize non payment of the awards.
· The government takes a serious view to safeguarding the entitlements of workers.
· The company is guilty of these offences (listed below) and this bill aims to prosecute individuals involved. Arrears of wages, annual leave pay, severance pay and other contractual payments.
· Some employer representatives agree that irresponsible companies that are financially able but unwilling to pay the awards should be sanctioned.
· Under the new bill and employer who fails to pay the employee the awards and entitlements under the ordinance “willfully and without reasonable excuse” will be liable to prosecution, with a maximum penalty of HK 350, 000 and 3 years imprisonment. It goes on to say that the company director or person responsible for nonpayment of award will also be liable for the same offence. (HKA S.W, and head of H.R dept HKE P.K. and the finance department heads who ignore the pilots. We are coming after you personally)
· The proposed measure should send a STRONG deterrent and send a clear message to the community that defaulting awards is a serious offence.
Dear HKE/HKA management.
You are ILLEGALLY underpaying the pilots annual leave pay according the labor ordinance. You have been informed, in writing and verbally by the HKEPA union and several individuals, including your DFO and GMF. You continue to ignore this and seem to invite a lawsuit.
Now individuals do not need to sue you personally because the government has had enough of your SHlT and will prosecute you themselves.The government has put in place legislation so YOU personally will be seriously FINED, PROSECUTED and JAILED.
So to S.W, HKE H.R's P.K, the finance department heads, the CEO’s and the President, I look forward to the day your PROSECUTED for your ILLEGAL and unfair behavior. It is YOUR JOB to do the right thing and stand up to Hainan management if in fact it is HNA's policies that force you to break the law. But remember this; YOU will be prosecuted not HNA so YOU need to abide by the law and change policy to "make things right" This is not the mainland.
On another matter; I believe it is ILLEGAL that you’re reducing the annual leave days of the cabin crew because you say they only work 10-11 months. That is because of your FORCED LEAVE WITHOUT PAY.
Again you have been put on notice. I will applaud the judge who prosecutes you personally, or personally fines you. Change your policies and aggressive behavior or pay the consequences.So to the pilots and crew that have been illegally underpaid and who are continuously fighting for the pathetic conditions that do remain and to the basic labor law that the company is simply ignoring; do not be afraid to phone the labor department anonymously and confidentially. You can speak to a representative and they will inform you if your rights have been violated and what action you can take. Here is a contact number. Contact hotline for labor department - 2717 1771. Perhaps the department will throw the book at the company if they get enough complaints.
Labor Laws found here - http://www.legislation.gov.hk/eng/home.htm
Other useful sites - http://www.labour.gov.hk/eng/welcome/content.htm
Sincerely, Intel
p.s can a local translate this to Mandarin and Cantonese and anonymously send to the management.
Thanks. If you need emails, P.m me.
Last edited by intelligentpilot; 2nd Jul 2009 at 13:04.
http://www.cargonewsasia.com/secured...&article=19943
Hong Kong Express Airways' plan to launch a cargo service in September is being blocked by one of its shareholders.
Andrew Tse, who owns close to 15 percent of the small city airline that is controlled by the mainland's HNA Group, filed an objection with the Air Transport Licensing Authority after Hong Kong Express applied for a cargo licence, the South China Morning Post reported.
The airline withdrew the application but has since submitted another one.
Tse, a nephew of Stanley Ho Hung-sun, said management promised the board in a meeting in April it would present a detailed business plan for the cargo service.
The airline, which offers passenger services to mainland and Asian cities, planned to operate three weekly cargo flights from Hong Kong to Luxembourg via Abu Dhabi from September 18, president Yang Jianhong said.
He said the air-cargo business was showing "green shoots" and the firm wanted to get in early to seize on low aircraft leasing fees.
Hong Kong Express has been granted a three-month licence by the Civil Aviation Department to lease a Boeing 747-400 freighter from Taiwan's China Airlines. But before it becomes permanent, the airline has to be given a cargo licence by the Air Transport Licensing Authority.
Hong Kong Express Airways' plan to launch a cargo service in September is being blocked by one of its shareholders.
Andrew Tse, who owns close to 15 percent of the small city airline that is controlled by the mainland's HNA Group, filed an objection with the Air Transport Licensing Authority after Hong Kong Express applied for a cargo licence, the South China Morning Post reported.
The airline withdrew the application but has since submitted another one.
Tse, a nephew of Stanley Ho Hung-sun, said management promised the board in a meeting in April it would present a detailed business plan for the cargo service.
The airline, which offers passenger services to mainland and Asian cities, planned to operate three weekly cargo flights from Hong Kong to Luxembourg via Abu Dhabi from September 18, president Yang Jianhong said.
He said the air-cargo business was showing "green shoots" and the firm wanted to get in early to seize on low aircraft leasing fees.
Hong Kong Express has been granted a three-month licence by the Civil Aviation Department to lease a Boeing 747-400 freighter from Taiwan's China Airlines. But before it becomes permanent, the airline has to be given a cargo licence by the Air Transport Licensing Authority.
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maybe no demise
There appears to be hope for HKA/HKE.
Get your management to negotiate seat/stool modifications to your new B747 and A340s.
The additional revenue may pay for your management fups!
Get your management to negotiate seat/stool modifications to your new B747 and A340s.
The additional revenue may pay for your management f
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Public Loss of Singa Face!
Talk about loss of face, a member of the board of HKE stating publicly that they have no confidence in Flight Operations management. At least they appear to be waking up, but how long does it take before Hainan Airlines starts to wonder why their money is getting thrown down the Singa toilet?
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Going, going, gone....
One Captain just called HKE to advise that he was gone... Beautifully done, no warnings...one that went for a better place.
One FO put his notice. Leaving very soon...
Looks like the alarm rang at HKE. There are more people about to go. Very soon won't be enough drivers for 5 aircrafts, so they'll have to reduce to 4, and so on... The end is just around the corner.
And more suits coming very soon. With big numbers.
One FO put his notice. Leaving very soon...
Looks like the alarm rang at HKE. There are more people about to go. Very soon won't be enough drivers for 5 aircrafts, so they'll have to reduce to 4, and so on... The end is just around the corner.
And more suits coming very soon. With big numbers.
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Where's The Bedwetter?
Has anybody seen the CAD Singa Slave Eric? He isn't on the roster anymore, has he finally scared himself so badly he has given up his hobby flying?
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It did when the Swine WU arrived. The demise is slow and painful and being managed wonderfully incompetently by the Singa Swine. It makes great fun to watch the daily debacle and laugh!!!!!
We all need some fun and laughter in economic times like this and makes us all realise we are so greatful not to work there.
Typhoon season is here. is the wind not strong enough for them this year? hahahaha
Pandemic= Swine WU
It did when the Swine WU arrived. The demise is slow and painful and being managed wonderfully incompetently by the Singa Swine. It makes great fun to watch the daily debacle and laugh!!!!!
We all need some fun and laughter in economic times like this and makes us all realise we are so greatful not to work there.
Typhoon season is here. is the wind not strong enough for them this year? hahahaha
Pandemic= Swine WU
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The bed wetter has given HKA dispensation to operate the 737 in any x-wind, as he and most of the HKA skippers have more skill than the Boeing test pilots, no, really they have, just ask them