The Demise of Hong Kong Airlines
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Guava and gnehc are absolutely right. These bunch of asps who called others racist reptilians are most vile...they are always trying to get my South American bethren to stir up ****. No doubt HKA management has lot to improve, these ivory creatures with forked tongues are the most diabolical in trying to use others to stir up **** for their nefarious agenda.
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It's in their blood and heritage.....
They think the whole world owes them a livelihood.
And the bunch that went across the block; heard they didn't do too well trying to teach the dragonites how to fly safely...
They think the whole world owes them a livelihood.
And the bunch that went across the block; heard they didn't do too well trying to teach the dragonites how to fly safely...
"Guava and gnehc are absolutely right. These bunch of asps who called others racist reptilians are most vile...they are always trying to get my South American bethren to stir up ****. No doubt HKA management has lot to improve, these ivory creatures with forked tongues are the most diabolical in trying to use others to stir up **** for their nefarious agenda." Yesterday 15:50
Some how I don't think you represent the Sth American brethren but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt...
When I was working for HKA we were trying to negotiate a collective together to try and obtain better terms and conditions. If you interpret this as 'stir up ****' then you are misinformed. YOU Sth Americans didn't want to know about it except for 2. Your preference was to negiotiate as a South American group and not a pilot group which was disappointing. The mistake you made was listening to the songs Baboonetti sang to you and now the majority of you are left to return to your old nemisis Shenzhen Airlines.
I wish you luck
Some how I don't think you represent the Sth American brethren but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt...
When I was working for HKA we were trying to negotiate a collective together to try and obtain better terms and conditions. If you interpret this as 'stir up ****' then you are misinformed. YOU Sth Americans didn't want to know about it except for 2. Your preference was to negiotiate as a South American group and not a pilot group which was disappointing. The mistake you made was listening to the songs Baboonetti sang to you and now the majority of you are left to return to your old nemisis Shenzhen Airlines.
I wish you luck
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I If a US airlines furlough pilots, it is mostly view as a business decision, but here it seems like a race issue. I also suspect if your own county hires mostly foreigners to fly their planes you will be up in arms. Some claim the HKA is being racist yet some of your posts making fun of how they speak is racist. Pot is calling the kettle black
1) One of the singa snakes said, and I quote " I want to kill all Aussies " ( he had his chance at TC but was to pathetic and weak )
2) Whilst Westerners have been systematically sacked, more " Aces " from Indo and Singa have been hired, so what do you call this if not racism ?
I'm always amazed that pilots will travel far and wide to get a job, even with families. On one hand, If these pilots with tons of hours, why they don't have a job at their own country? I suspect that they can't get one or got laid off by their own country men, or for some unknown reason (know reasons) they did not get hired at their country's airlines
The reason we come to this pollution ridden craphole is for one thing and one thing only.....THE MONEY. We can earn 2 to 3 times as much here than back home, because the tax is less here and because the local airlines need us here so they pay more. I know this is a sticking point with you lot but maybe you can explain to me why we get paid so much more than the locals if we are not needed here as you seem to think. Makes the locals look pretty stupid if they are hiring expats and paying them considerably more if they do not need them.
Most of us gave up pretty good jobs in our respective home countries to come here, based on the lies we were told in the original interview. I am not complaining as I now have the best paid job I have ever had and apart from the pollution and people like you I quite like it here.
And the bunch that went across the block; heard they didn't do too well trying to teach the dragonites how to fly safely
Now you lot run along and try to have a flight where you don't have more than 10 QAR exceedences
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Oh Yes Mr Fooey, That is why we do what we do, The Money. Do you think there is a chance the bean counters are doing the same, for the money? I guess it depends on your prospective. I guess if it's a race issue to you guys then race it is. I'll not try to convince you otherwise. Chase that money we pilots do, as Yoda might say. I for one prefer quality of life. Then again, it's easy form me to say. Got a nice job and like a lazy old dog taking in the sunshine, I don't want to chase.
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....only 1 ex HKA pilot has had trouble at KA, the rest have a reputation as being good operators and easy to get along with.
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The reason that the singas hate the western crowd so much is that they were abused in SQ (and in dick stew case - abused in aussie). Some Aussie captains would not let these idiots put their hands on the side stick/control column as they believed that the only thing these guys should be flying is a paper plane. Its evident from their lack of flying and decision making skills that sectors as PF were very rare.
Break....
Hey Dick Stew...why are you so quiet? What ever happened to your emails praising the new management? I hear that Melbourne is short of bus drivers...
Break....
Hey Dick Stew...why are you so quiet? What ever happened to your emails praising the new management? I hear that Melbourne is short of bus drivers...
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Your posts are toxic and full of shallow materialistic perceptions of success. Try to relax and control those sensetive emoticons of yours. Stop nailing yourself to the cross, you've left. Get over it and get a life young man. Maybe professional help is needed?
"The reason we come to this pollution ridden craphole is for one thing and one thing only.....THE MONEY. We can earn 2 to 3 times as much here than back home, because the tax is less here and because the local airlines need us here so they pay more. I know this is a sticking point with you lot but maybe you can explain to me why we get paid so much more than the locals if we are not needed here as you seem to think. Makes the locals look pretty stupid if they are hiring expats and paying them considerably more if they do not need them.
Most of us gave up pretty good jobs in our respective home countries to come here, based on the lies we were told in the original interview. I am not complaining as I now have the best paid job I have ever had and apart from the pollution and people like you I quite like it here".
You seem to like talking for us all, try using the word "I" instead of "we" a little more.
You really are an embarressment! Perhaps its because you've only been out of your country a short while. Hopefully you will mature as time rolls on.
Your posts are toxic and full of shallow materialistic perceptions of success. Try to relax and control those sensetive emoticons of yours. Stop nailing yourself to the cross, you've left. Get over it and get a life young man. Maybe professional help is needed?
"The reason we come to this pollution ridden craphole is for one thing and one thing only.....THE MONEY. We can earn 2 to 3 times as much here than back home, because the tax is less here and because the local airlines need us here so they pay more. I know this is a sticking point with you lot but maybe you can explain to me why we get paid so much more than the locals if we are not needed here as you seem to think. Makes the locals look pretty stupid if they are hiring expats and paying them considerably more if they do not need them.
Most of us gave up pretty good jobs in our respective home countries to come here, based on the lies we were told in the original interview. I am not complaining as I now have the best paid job I have ever had and apart from the pollution and people like you I quite like it here".
You seem to like talking for us all, try using the word "I" instead of "we" a little more.
You really are an embarressment! Perhaps its because you've only been out of your country a short while. Hopefully you will mature as time rolls on.
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Goodness gracious, sounds like all is not well in the former colony. Ask yourselves why so many europeans were recruited to fly out there and why they left. We dont really like each other do we ?
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Hmmmm
Just wondering if you could back that up with a few facts? All the ex-HKA persons except for one passed there 528 and line checks on the first attempt without extra training or remedial action sooooo............please enlighten us. Perhaps you missed out on a spot?
To be frank, unfortunately there will always be the delusional fools like "slim", "tiburan" "little let's killall the whities Dickie" et al who are happy to reside in the fantasy world that they do so, good luck to them with the soon to arrive fleet of 330's, 340's, AN124's, Ekranoplanes and the space shuttle, all while being on the best C.O.S in the industry. As for me, I couldn't be happier than where I am today................end result we are all happy. Good by and good luck.
The rightful fact is; most HKE/HKA pilots has had trouble during training, only 1 ex HKA has had MORE trouble...
To be frank, unfortunately there will always be the delusional fools like "slim", "tiburan" "little let's killall the whities Dickie" et al who are happy to reside in the fantasy world that they do so, good luck to them with the soon to arrive fleet of 330's, 340's, AN124's, Ekranoplanes and the space shuttle, all while being on the best C.O.S in the industry. As for me, I couldn't be happier than where I am today................end result we are all happy. Good by and good luck.
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The Big Picture
Tittilating to observe this mess from the relative sanctuary of a UK operator. A privilege to have taken two Boeings down to Mascot in the late 80s when Hawk locked out those hard working Australian crews and to rebuild their air system from scratch ....while Peter Ables and Alan Bond looked on from custody. Yep... to have opened the australian pilots eyes to deregulation and restrictive practices and just how to fold that bitter list of names into your top right shirt pocket and carry it around the world looking for a fight. Yes sir. To have watched the bitter infighting and clash of cultures within Cathay Horrific, the disgruntled crews and fear of other cultures. What price that rolex and private school. The mistrust and loathing. Gracious me, ever watched CRM working in India. Lets be honest, we really do not like each other, save the chance of some interesting food and are naturally creatures who prefer the sanctuary of our own tribe. Global Village. I think not.
Discuss and have your answers for me by tomorrow. This is not multiple choice.
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Discuss and have your answers for me by tomorrow. This is not multiple choice.
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A hell of a lot of truth to what you say Koi.
But if you did indeed take pleasure in Hawk and Abels ( RIH - rot in hell ) illegal demolition of the Australian airline pilots, then I can tell you one thing most of us agree on....... Nobody likes Scabs
But if you did indeed take pleasure in Hawk and Abels ( RIH - rot in hell ) illegal demolition of the Australian airline pilots, then I can tell you one thing most of us agree on....... Nobody likes Scabs
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I agree. Scab is not a nice thing to be, however, it was waiting to happen in Oz and our managers lied to get us to go down there, and those little bits of folder paper still exist. I am going to watch.... with buttocks clenched tight, while the global village shrinks, foreign workers get kicked out from the host country and national retrenchment is the order of the day. Happened in the depression of the 30s we are reminded and they say we are heading that way again. Far east docks are really stacked up, Rotterdam port is empty and those chinese workers who were just beggining to enjoy the fruits of their labour are about to unleash a huge wave of protest as they get sent back to the fields from the factory gates. Payback time yes sir.
We havnt seen the half of it yet.
Koi Carpus
We havnt seen the half of it yet.
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it already happen!!
National retrenchment is happening in malaysia, here is an article from the BBC.
Malaysia has banned the hiring of new foreign workers in factories, shops and other services.
The government said the move was to protect its citizens from unemployment during the economic downturn.
It has also told employers that if they want to cut back their workforce they must sack foreign staff first.
Malaysia is a leading Asian importer of labour, with more than two million foreign workers - mostly from Indonesia and other South East Asian countries.
The first to be retrenched should be foreigners and not locals
Syed Hamid Albar, Malaysian Home minister
The ban on new foreign workers is indefinite and will affect key manufacturing and services sectors which currently employ about half of Malaysia's foreign workforce.
Exemptions may be given to those working in highly skilled service industries and factories.
The decision was announced late on Wednesday by the Home Minister Syed Hamid Albar.
Syed Hamid told the New Straits Times that the decision had been prompted by a human resources ministry report which showed 45,000 people would be laid off by the end of the month.
"This is not the time for employers to ask for foreign workers," he told the newspaper.
"The first to be retrenched should be foreigners and not locals," he added.
Employers have been told that foreigners already working in Malaysia will be allowed to remain until their contract expires or until they are laid off.
Eka Suripto, an official at the Indonesian Embassy in Kuala Lumpur, said up to one-third of its 300,000 nationals working in Malaysia's manufacturing industry could lose their jobs this year.
"Certainly what they will sacrifice first are the foreign migrants," he said.
Thirteen thousand workers lost their jobs in the last quarter - over 75% were Malaysian.
In a further sign that Malaysia's export dependent economy is being squeezed by the global economic downturn, some economists are projecting the country's growth rate could fall to below 2%.
Malaysia has banned the hiring of new foreign workers in factories, shops and other services.
The government said the move was to protect its citizens from unemployment during the economic downturn.
It has also told employers that if they want to cut back their workforce they must sack foreign staff first.
Malaysia is a leading Asian importer of labour, with more than two million foreign workers - mostly from Indonesia and other South East Asian countries.
The first to be retrenched should be foreigners and not locals
Syed Hamid Albar, Malaysian Home minister
The ban on new foreign workers is indefinite and will affect key manufacturing and services sectors which currently employ about half of Malaysia's foreign workforce.
Exemptions may be given to those working in highly skilled service industries and factories.
The decision was announced late on Wednesday by the Home Minister Syed Hamid Albar.
Syed Hamid told the New Straits Times that the decision had been prompted by a human resources ministry report which showed 45,000 people would be laid off by the end of the month.
"This is not the time for employers to ask for foreign workers," he told the newspaper.
"The first to be retrenched should be foreigners and not locals," he added.
Employers have been told that foreigners already working in Malaysia will be allowed to remain until their contract expires or until they are laid off.
Eka Suripto, an official at the Indonesian Embassy in Kuala Lumpur, said up to one-third of its 300,000 nationals working in Malaysia's manufacturing industry could lose their jobs this year.
"Certainly what they will sacrifice first are the foreign migrants," he said.
Thirteen thousand workers lost their jobs in the last quarter - over 75% were Malaysian.
In a further sign that Malaysia's export dependent economy is being squeezed by the global economic downturn, some economists are projecting the country's growth rate could fall to below 2%.
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Koi, if you were lied to or ordered/forced to go " down under " I don't have a problem with that ( other than the a'holes you flew for ) what I took exception to was the comment
I have no axe to grind with people who where doing what they were told in order to ( obviously ) keep their job, this is " slightly " different to the SCABS that volunteered to take the jobs.
A privilege to have taken two Boeings down to Mascot in the late 80s when Hawk locked out those hard working Australian crews and to rebuild their air system from scratch ....while Peter Ables and Alan Bond looked on from custody.
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Truth is... we were not told the full story until we picked up the evidence down there working with a mixture of warm welcome and outright hostility. It was a shocking time with press hounding the europeans who were being guarded by security staff in the crew hotac. Fights broke out and the cabin crew were difficult. some stayed on wth offers of lucrative contracts only to be bitten hard when the dust settled. like I said, stick to your own tribe.... it seems to be the safest way.
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Is it safe??
Hi all,
I will be in Hong Kong in March and have been looking at purchasing a ticket from Hong Kong to Kunming return for 6th of March returning 14th of March.
I have been looking at using HKA/E since the flight times are okay with me.. but errr with the airline having troubles would it be safe to book a ticket now for next month?
Anyone share their opinion? or have any advice? Just wondering if I do book, would have to worry if they are still in operation next month.
I will be in Hong Kong in March and have been looking at purchasing a ticket from Hong Kong to Kunming return for 6th of March returning 14th of March.
I have been looking at using HKA/E since the flight times are okay with me.. but errr with the airline having troubles would it be safe to book a ticket now for next month?
Anyone share their opinion? or have any advice? Just wondering if I do book, would have to worry if they are still in operation next month.