The Demise of Hong Kong Airlines
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Insomniac
Please read my post again and observe I wrote “…. no matter their number”
The number five (5) that you mention is an integer and a valid number.
I did not mention anything about what is actually happening in this company, so how can I be way off the mark on that?
Please read my post again and observe I wrote “…. no matter their number”
The number five (5) that you mention is an integer and a valid number.
I did not mention anything about what is actually happening in this company, so how can I be way off the mark on that?
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Titan,
Thanks for the link to the Aus skilled occupation list.
I never thought I would see the day when pilot job made it onto that list, but there it is, for now at least.
My understanding of employment law in Hong Kong is that an employer, provided he is not restricted by a specific procedure in an employment contract or union agreement that he has signed, may lay off who he likes (means to say who he doesn’t like) without any regard to seniority, and I have seen this happen without problem in other occupations here.
Never any worry about not getting any more expatriates, once word gets out.
That is only a dream.
There will always be more applications
Thanks for the link to the Aus skilled occupation list.
I never thought I would see the day when pilot job made it onto that list, but there it is, for now at least.
My understanding of employment law in Hong Kong is that an employer, provided he is not restricted by a specific procedure in an employment contract or union agreement that he has signed, may lay off who he likes (means to say who he doesn’t like) without any regard to seniority, and I have seen this happen without problem in other occupations here.
Never any worry about not getting any more expatriates, once word gets out.
That is only a dream.
There will always be more applications
Guava Tree
It’s been there a while and will be there for as long as Australia needs foreign pilots, just like Hong Kong. The minute Hong Kong is self sufficient in pilots is the day expats will be a thing of the past, though this isn’t likely to happen anytime soon.
This doesn't make it right. The point is you are basing redundancies on ones race. This is unacceptable as it smacks of racism and will have a devastating effect on any company in Hong Kong that relies on expats for the vast majority of their workforce especially when it comes to attracting experienced expat workers in future. If you don’t think it will happen then you are mistaken. If some companies just in the recent past found it hard to find expat workers simply because of the pollution wait till the word spreads that Hong Kong companies racially discriminate against expat workers. For the record I personally don’t believe for one minute this is the case. Most of the large international companies conduct themselves to internationally accepted practices. HKA it would appear have choosen not to follow this path.
I never thought I would see the day when pilot job made it onto that list, but there it is, for now at least.
My understanding of employment law in Hong Kong is that an employer, provided he is not restricted by a specific procedure in an employment contract or union agreement that he has signed, may lay off who he likes (means to say who he doesn’t like) without any regard to seniority, and I have seen this happen without problem in other occupations here.
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Is it now agreed then that local Hong Kong pilots, no matter their number, do matter, and that, in general, in case of continued economic downturn, as pilots of the host country, they should be the last to be laid off, OK ?
Perhaps you could run for election under the banner "the right to racism is to be reserved for locals but not for ex-pats"
Never any worry about not getting any more expatriates, once word gets out.
That is only a dream.
There will always be more applications
That is only a dream.
There will always be more applications
Get over your small-man inferiority complex or at least seek help for it.
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AAIGUY,
Checking your previous posts you seem to be reasonably intelligent, but now you are letting yourself down.
You seem to be Canadian but now what has happened? You have caught drongo-itis or what?
What relevance does the exact size of my huge equipment have to you or this thread ? People who cannot win arguments by means of logic revert to puerile comments such as yours.
Shame on you.
Checking your previous posts you seem to be reasonably intelligent, but now you are letting yourself down.
You seem to be Canadian but now what has happened? You have caught drongo-itis or what?
What relevance does the exact size of my huge equipment have to you or this thread ? People who cannot win arguments by means of logic revert to puerile comments such as yours.
Shame on you.
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Guava
Hoof and everyone else is right. Your making an idiot of yourself and are hypocritical. get over yourself and open your eyes to what is actually behind all these threads about HKA.
Management there are racist cowards that don't have the intelligence to think past themselves (just like you guava). I wonder if they realise the predicament they have got themselves into. I can see some big law suit pay outs coming up.
HA HA you dickheads. There reign is crumble like GW Bush. And they are just as unpopular.
Hoof and everyone else is right. Your making an idiot of yourself and are hypocritical. get over yourself and open your eyes to what is actually behind all these threads about HKA.
Management there are racist cowards that don't have the intelligence to think past themselves (just like you guava). I wonder if they realise the predicament they have got themselves into. I can see some big law suit pay outs coming up.
HA HA you dickheads. There reign is crumble like GW Bush. And they are just as unpopular.
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Heard from the toilet lady cousins brother in fenwicks that soon the cad will pull hka aoc, they would like to keep it quiet since it's not good for the hk aviation blah blah blah hke will take a few pilots and the rest will be...........good luck to all of you.
HKA RIP
HKA RIP
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Possible Charges To Be Laid
Many rumours circulating that charges may be laid as a result of the alleged attempted coverup of the taxiway alpha incident. Anybody heard anything?
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Yeah so he bloody should've. We are all backing MT and its about time somebody did something about these idiots at HKA. Reality is that Madam Wu, Dick stew and Dickie Lai should all get he sack too for their neglegence and cover ups. But they are all cowards.
Good on ya MT, you've started the inevitable anyway.
RIP Snakes!!!
Yeah so he bloody should've. We are all backing MT and its about time somebody did something about these idiots at HKA. Reality is that Madam Wu, Dick stew and Dickie Lai should all get he sack too for their neglegence and cover ups. But they are all cowards.
Good on ya MT, you've started the inevitable anyway.
RIP Snakes!!!
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HKA Golf Cup Tournament 2008
In the midst of the pilot sackings, and the downsizing of the airline, HKA still has enough cash to run the "HKA Golf Cup Tournament 2008".
Times are tough, lah.
Times are tough, lah.
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Hey Eric, are retirees eligible for the tournament 
Still waiting for my retiree staff travel package la
All the best to the 18 that were sacked in the last month, you will soon realise what a big favour the snakes have done for you
Still waiting for my retiree staff travel package la
All the best to the 18 that were sacked in the last month, you will soon realise what a big favour the snakes have done for you
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Hainan Airliines Not Paying Bills
From the SCMP:
Unpaid airport fees pile up as airlines post losses
Charlotte So
Mainland carriers, facing a deteriorating operating environment, are shifting part of their financial burden to airports by delaying payments for services such as landing fees, according to an industry association.
Seventeen major airports had accumulated accounts receivable from mainland carriers of 4.2 billion yuan (HK$4.8 billion), said an official from the China Civil Airports Association yesterday. At the end of October, most bills were more than three months overdue.
In March, overdue payments at the 17 airports amounted to only 700 million yuan.
Hainan Airlines and East Star Airlines were the top two airlines with the highest amount of unpaid bills, the official said.
Many airlines, taking advantage of unresolved airport fee negotiations, had declined to pay for airport services such as take-off and landing fees, ground handling charges and parking fees since March, said Wang Jian, secretary of the association, who was quoted by mainland media yesterday.
Government-driven reform of airport fees, which increased a variety of charges and went into effect in March, was not welcomed by the airlines. Reportedly, the 17 major airports had renewed only 30 per cent of their contracts with airlines. Smaller airlines tend to be more willing to sign new contracts, while large carriers have been reluctant to do so.
Airlines have faced a variety of difficulties including higher fuel costs and lower traffic due to the snowstorms in February, the Sichuan earthquake in May, tightened security for the Olympics in August and the global financial turmoil.
Beijing was to review domestic jet fuel prices, which now are at a 50 per cent premium to international jet fuel prices, said Liu Shaocheng, head of research for the Civil Aviation Administration of China, at a conference in Beijing.
Fuel costs, which had been reduced by 8 per cent in October, account for more than 40 per cent of the operating costs of mainland airlines.
In the first 10 months, airlines posted 4.2 billion yuan in losses, said Mr Liu.
Air China posted a 1.9 billion yuan loss in the third quarter, while China Eastern Airlines incurred 2.3 billion yuan in losses and China Southern Airlines had a deficit of nearly 900 million yuan.
The situation is set to get worse if traffic demand does not rebound because the big three airlines are scheduled to receive 20 to 40 new aircraft each next year, a 10 per cent expansion in their fleets.
Financial headwinds
Carriers delay payments for airport services such as landing charges
Overdue payments at 17 mainland airports have risen to, in yuan: 4.2b yen.
Interesting to see that Hainan Airlines is one of the two top non-payers. Seems to be mainland Chinese accepted business practice, when times are tough, don't pay your bills.
Unpaid airport fees pile up as airlines post losses
Charlotte So
Mainland carriers, facing a deteriorating operating environment, are shifting part of their financial burden to airports by delaying payments for services such as landing fees, according to an industry association.
Seventeen major airports had accumulated accounts receivable from mainland carriers of 4.2 billion yuan (HK$4.8 billion), said an official from the China Civil Airports Association yesterday. At the end of October, most bills were more than three months overdue.
In March, overdue payments at the 17 airports amounted to only 700 million yuan.
Hainan Airlines and East Star Airlines were the top two airlines with the highest amount of unpaid bills, the official said.
Many airlines, taking advantage of unresolved airport fee negotiations, had declined to pay for airport services such as take-off and landing fees, ground handling charges and parking fees since March, said Wang Jian, secretary of the association, who was quoted by mainland media yesterday.
Government-driven reform of airport fees, which increased a variety of charges and went into effect in March, was not welcomed by the airlines. Reportedly, the 17 major airports had renewed only 30 per cent of their contracts with airlines. Smaller airlines tend to be more willing to sign new contracts, while large carriers have been reluctant to do so.
Airlines have faced a variety of difficulties including higher fuel costs and lower traffic due to the snowstorms in February, the Sichuan earthquake in May, tightened security for the Olympics in August and the global financial turmoil.
Beijing was to review domestic jet fuel prices, which now are at a 50 per cent premium to international jet fuel prices, said Liu Shaocheng, head of research for the Civil Aviation Administration of China, at a conference in Beijing.
Fuel costs, which had been reduced by 8 per cent in October, account for more than 40 per cent of the operating costs of mainland airlines.
In the first 10 months, airlines posted 4.2 billion yuan in losses, said Mr Liu.
Air China posted a 1.9 billion yuan loss in the third quarter, while China Eastern Airlines incurred 2.3 billion yuan in losses and China Southern Airlines had a deficit of nearly 900 million yuan.
The situation is set to get worse if traffic demand does not rebound because the big three airlines are scheduled to receive 20 to 40 new aircraft each next year, a 10 per cent expansion in their fleets.
Financial headwinds
Carriers delay payments for airport services such as landing charges
Overdue payments at 17 mainland airports have risen to, in yuan: 4.2b yen.
Interesting to see that Hainan Airlines is one of the two top non-payers. Seems to be mainland Chinese accepted business practice, when times are tough, don't pay your bills.
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Hong Kong Express
....where do they figure in this whole saga. Hard to believe they have the same mother company and yet relatively little comment on them...are they worth working for or tainted by the same brush?
Firstly, yes they are both tarred with the same crap brush!
If you are extremely desperate then HKE is definitely the one to go for BUT what good guys they have left are leaving and will be replaced by the same poor pilots HKA have seen. DICKSTEW HKA 'Chief Pilot Training' and resident Boeing expert
was rumoured to become the GM Flying at HKE...what a joke.
Be warned...
If you are extremely desperate then HKE is definitely the one to go for BUT what good guys they have left are leaving and will be replaced by the same poor pilots HKA have seen. DICKSTEW HKA 'Chief Pilot Training' and resident Boeing expert
was rumoured to become the GM Flying at HKE...what a joke. Be warned...
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As a further cost saving measure, HKA trainers have decreed that the aircon packs may be left OFF during all operations. Lack of pressurisation is a small price to pay during this new cost saving measure. That pesky warning that goes off just before everyone falls asleep is just an overreaction to a minor event.
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Yea Capt's "no packs" will not be punished at all. maybe a couple of days off on the roster but back into training duties next month. most of the snakes have been in sanya recently playing golf...with the bed wetter there too trying to get a hole in one with the snakes!
pity that that the gmf is only looking after his own interest (ie $'s) and not that of his fellow pilots. he is just as corrupt as the snakes.
pity that that the gmf is only looking after his own interest (ie $'s) and not that of his fellow pilots. he is just as corrupt as the snakes.
Packs OFF???? WTF is next, these guys are oxygen thiefs at best, so will be quite at home to pushing the envelope with an unpressurised cabin.
It's the poor flight attendants down the back I am concerned for...not the passengers because they don't carry any.
Sanya aye, sounds nice but apart from the slippery, slimey company one would have to endure
Hkdaily - totally agree with about the GMF! What the hell has done or is he doing to try and stop these snakes...NOTHING! I am sure the chickens will come home to roost when he gets a knife in the back from his bum buddies.
It's the poor flight attendants down the back I am concerned for...not the passengers because they don't carry any.
Sanya aye, sounds nice but apart from the slippery, slimey company one would have to endure
Hkdaily - totally agree with about the GMF! What the hell has done or is he doing to try and stop these snakes...NOTHING! I am sure the chickens will come home to roost when he gets a knife in the back from his bum buddies.