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Old 11th May 2006, 12:38
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Unhappy Russian Helicopter sea accident

Check out BBC World today Thursday 11th May for footage of a liftoff that goes pearshapped on the sea, poor chaps, one dead apparently.
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helicopter crash

just seen a spectacular helicopter crash on Sky news.
Fortunately all 12 aboard survived.
i didnt hear any of the details, anyone know anything about it
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The news report said all the passengers survived but the pilot was killed. The machine (amphibious) dropped into the sea from a few metres then the pilot tried to lift off again, but the forward momentum pushed the nose into the water, the tail lifted and then the rotors hit. Spectacular indeed, and tragic!
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video here

video:

http://news.ntv.ru/news/ViewVideo.jsp?nid=86955


YUZHNO-SAKHALINSK, May 11 (Itar-Tass) - One of the passengers on board a Russian helicopter that had fallen into water in the Sea of Okhotsk earlier Thursday, has died.
The Russian helicopter Mi-14 fell into the sea during Russo-Japanese exercises to drill operations to render assistance to a ship in distress. There were 13 people on board the helicopter, which overturned but remained afloat. Twelve of them have been rescued.
Right after the incident the exercises were stopped and all vessels were used to rescue the people. The rescued were brought to the Japanese ship Erimo and the Russian ship Agat.
The rescued people are being evacuated to the port of Korsakov. The patrol ship Bug is towing the helicopter to the same port.
Sea rescuers of Russia and Japan launched exercises in Aniva Gulf off the port of Korsakov earlier in the day to drill action to help a ship in distress and eliminate an oil spill.
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Try this thread in R&N, probably get merged here:

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=225543
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Why "#%"!* did he try to do that... No crash is spectacular when there are lives involved BTW!
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more from Russian TV...

[Presenter] The circumstances of the accident involving a Mi-14 helicopter are being investigated on Sakhalin. It crashed in the sea this morning during a Russian-Japanese exercise. One person was killed. Specialists were trying out measures to deal with an imaginary oil spill. TV journalists who were covering the exercise recorded the moment that the helicopter crashed. The accident happened as the Mi-14 was flying just above the surface of the water.

The transport prosecutor's office has instituted criminal proceedings. The provisional theory is that the accident could have been caused by a technical fault.

[Igor Zhdanov, acting director-general of the Sakhalin Basin emergency rescue directorate] The helicopter had not gained any height after taking off when, it is thought, its engine failed. The helicopter fell back into the water. Its nose tipped forward into the swell. The tips of the rotors clipped the water and the helicopter toppled over, disintegrating on the surface.

[Presenter] Thirteen people - crew members and rescuers - are thought to have been aboard the helicopter. The machine did not sink. Sailors from nearby vessels managed to rapidly evacuate 12 casualties. A little later Japanese divers recovered yet another person from the cabin, but his life could not be saved. Two injured casualties were taken to hospital in Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk. The half-submerged helicopter will shortly be towed to the port of Korsakov.
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Did he do a water landing and accidentally leave the wheels down, perhaps?

http://www.sky.com/skynews/picture_g...1423-6,00.html
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wow!


I didn't understand...
So was it a forced landing and a post-take off that went wrong? or just a water landing?
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Old 11th May 2006, 18:15
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*disclaimer* Im not a pilot, aviation professional or journalist */disclaimer*

The helicopter that went down is a Mil Mi-14 Haze, which is the amphibious version of the Mi-8 Hip. Therefor a water landing is nothing out of the ordinary, it was designed for such task. Much like the better known Sea King.

The Haze has a different landing gear then the Hip. The aft wheels retract into the boat like fuselage, while the front gear fold forward into the fuselage, but outside the boat like hull.

I can find no information about the seaworthyness, ecspecially in regards to wave height of the Mi-14 Haze. But if the info is correct about an engine failure at t/o this must put quite a heavy strain on the remaining engine.
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Old 11th May 2006, 19:05
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Mi-14 crash w/video

http://today.reuters.com/tv/videoCha...08423903f5594d

Any hazard a guess as to cause?
I see lots of coning before touchdown, and can only guess that a control problem was making it rock fore and aft and eventually nose over...
Sad to hear, one fatality
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Yawing and conning , looks like a engine failure... and then too rough sea or attempted take off with one engine that went wrong?

just my 2 cents.

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From the video it looks like he landed and was then water taxiing ( if that is the correct term ). If you look at the disc it is well forward to provide forward movement. Seems he used too much fwd disc when trying to take off and ploughed into quite a big swell.
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Old 11th May 2006, 23:30
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Dynamic Roll-over?

With the forward momentum and the swell, the nose has dived. The pilot would be seeing a lot of water come over the windscreen. If he tried to pull it up, I'm tipping he had a forward dynamic roll-over. The nose is stuck and he can't lift it, so it noses over accelerating as the rotor head comes forward...

IMHO.

Condolances to the family.
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Old 11th May 2006, 23:45
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This video shows the actual event.

http://www.cnn.com/video/player/play...ter.crash.reut
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Old 12th May 2006, 00:52
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Note the landing gear is extended in the second part of the video - might this have happened inadvertantly after the hard landing? Certainly it must have helped cause the forward rollover - especially if the pilot was unaware it was extended.
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Old 12th May 2006, 02:02
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From the video I saw (on Sky) it looked like the tail rotor had almost stopped well before it hit the sea! This may have been a TV illusion - but my first impressions were TR failure somewhere.
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Old 12th May 2006, 02:05
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As I posted on R-Heads - it looks like the TR is going round very slowly prior to the accident - this may be a TV illusion but I wouldn't be surprised if it was related.
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