All the answers to where are we going?
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Thanks POTC
I kind of guessed that! But wondered how far north we would get, my parents went a few years ago went up over Greenland, Canada then down the eastern seaboard of America and flew just to the east of NYC. So wondered if it would be a similar route or just foot down straight over the water! If we went straight out over the Atlantic is that not an ETOP'S issue?
I kind of guessed that! But wondered how far north we would get, my parents went a few years ago went up over Greenland, Canada then down the eastern seaboard of America and flew just to the east of NYC. So wondered if it would be a similar route or just foot down straight over the water! If we went straight out over the Atlantic is that not an ETOP'S issue?
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From: Caribbean
If we went straight out over the Atlantic is that not an ETOP'S issue?
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From: AEP
Hola EGNH...
xxx
Quite an achievement to have started your PPL and already fly your cross country navigation practice in A-330s...
Well, nowadays, I cannot follow-up with you kids, your ATPLs in freezers -
And your modular or integrated training programs.
xxx
As far as your route from Manchester to Cuba...
Depends on how the Atlantic tracks as far as the North Atlantic...
You will be in an ETOPS machine, and they dont want you to swim.
xxx
Initially you will be routing over Ireland...
Then the water, and water, and water (quite boring)...
Sitting on the RH side, after some 4 hrs flight, you might catch a glimpse of Newfoundland.
If you look on LH side at that point, that is where the Titanic got a bad leak.
Then some 2 hours later, maybe on your LH side, you might see Bermuda.
Beware after that point - The "Bermuda Triangle" -
2 more hours, a bunch of small islands, that will be the Bahamas.
Far to your right, the coast of Florida. Then... Cuba.
xxx
Dont get lost. Check the batteries of your GPS.
Enjoy Cuba, nice place to be a tourist.

Happy contrails
xxx
Quite an achievement to have started your PPL and already fly your cross country navigation practice in A-330s...
Well, nowadays, I cannot follow-up with you kids, your ATPLs in freezers -
And your modular or integrated training programs.
xxx
As far as your route from Manchester to Cuba...
Depends on how the Atlantic tracks as far as the North Atlantic...
You will be in an ETOPS machine, and they dont want you to swim.
xxx
Initially you will be routing over Ireland...
Then the water, and water, and water (quite boring)...
Sitting on the RH side, after some 4 hrs flight, you might catch a glimpse of Newfoundland.
If you look on LH side at that point, that is where the Titanic got a bad leak.
Then some 2 hours later, maybe on your LH side, you might see Bermuda.
Beware after that point - The "Bermuda Triangle" -
2 more hours, a bunch of small islands, that will be the Bahamas.
Far to your right, the coast of Florida. Then... Cuba.
xxx
Dont get lost. Check the batteries of your GPS.
Enjoy Cuba, nice place to be a tourist.

Happy contrails
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From: Extended centre line of 28
Thanks for your replies even if one was slightly sarcastic!
Not going to Cuba in a Cessna or anything like that going to Cuba to get married!
Never been on the A330 so looking forwad to it, not looking forward to flying over lots and lots of water though borrrring!
The Mrs will be sick of me by then as I will keep pointing useless stuff out to her!
Not going to Cuba in a Cessna or anything like that going to Cuba to get married!
Never been on the A330 so looking forwad to it, not looking forward to flying over lots and lots of water though borrrring!
The Mrs will be sick of me by then as I will keep pointing useless stuff out to her!
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From: AEP
Sarcastic...?
xxx
Moi...? ... noooooooo....
Just that it is my kind of dry humour...
England is notorious for its "British Humour" -
Here in Argentina, we have our brand of "Gaucho" humour, sometimes translates as sarcasm.
Just a dash...!
Do not take me too seriously. I cannot remain 60 seconds without joking.
xxx
My apologies, and my best wishes to the groom and his bride.
I raise my glass to both of you.

Happy contrails
xxx
Moi...? ... noooooooo....
Just that it is my kind of dry humour...
England is notorious for its "British Humour" -
Here in Argentina, we have our brand of "Gaucho" humour, sometimes translates as sarcasm.
Just a dash...!
Do not take me too seriously. I cannot remain 60 seconds without joking.
xxx
My apologies, and my best wishes to the groom and his bride.
I raise my glass to both of you.

Happy contrails
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From: Between Venus and Mars
Click the following link to view flightpath of MUCC - EGCC.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/TCX174L
Although the coverage is primarily for Canadian and U.S. airspace, it gives a good general idea of the flightpath. The actual routing is in the box on the right.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/TCX174L
Although the coverage is primarily for Canadian and U.S. airspace, it gives a good general idea of the flightpath. The actual routing is in the box on the right.
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From: UK
Surely the route varies daily according to the track system? I've been across the Atlantic many times and the route is never the same. For instance, going to San Francisco I've usually gone a fair way north and then cut down over Winnipeg or Calgary but one one occasion we went right out to Vancouver and then down the west coast. Going to and from Washington late September this year we made landfall just north of New York and coming home we headed almost straight out into the Atlantic; on other trips there I've gone in over maritime Canada and down the east coast.
ETOPS may have some effect on your routing because of the need to stay within a certain flying time of a diversionary airport.
ETOPS may have some effect on your routing because of the need to stay within a certain flying time of a diversionary airport.

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From: UK
MUCC-EGCC is likely to take a different route than EGCC-MUCC....
...certainly over the Atlantic to Ireland anyway, as one direction wants to fly with as much tailwind as possible, and the other wants to avoid as much headwind as possible.
...certainly over the Atlantic to Ireland anyway, as one direction wants to fly with as much tailwind as possible, and the other wants to avoid as much headwind as possible.
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From: St Albans (Herts UK)
Gatwick-Grenoble
Morning all,
Going off to the slopes in a week or so and, as always, I am keen to find out what route I'll be following as I fly down to Grenoble from Gatwick.
If anybody has a moment to let me know general SID and waypoint information, I would appreciate it very much.
Best regards,
???pax
(ps - hope this is in the correct thread)
Going off to the slopes in a week or so and, as always, I am keen to find out what route I'll be following as I fly down to Grenoble from Gatwick.
If anybody has a moment to let me know general SID and waypoint information, I would appreciate it very much.
Best regards,
???pax
(ps - hope this is in the correct thread)
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Per Ardua ad Astraeus
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From: UK
(ps - hope this is in the correct thread)

Departure easterly - SFD SID
Departure westerly - BOG SID
Route via Paris and PROBABLY towards Geneva and then towards GNB.
Airway will depend on flow control, but either UM975 to LUSAR or to PODEP for UL612. also possible UM728 to LERGA




