Which airports/airfields insist on hi-vis jackets for GA pilots?
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See my post elsewhere
I bought four high vis jackets last year as a pre requisite to going to the Alderney fly-in.
I have absolutely no problem with this and I really can't understand the problem.
If I had my way I'd insist that the A/c reg was printed on the back of the jacket as well but I am the first one to admit that this might be difficult to enforce.
I'm prepared to jump through as many hoops as are deemed necessary to avoid compromising airside security.
Happy and safe flying
Cusco
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I bought four high vis jackets last year as a pre requisite to going to the Alderney fly-in.
I have absolutely no problem with this and I really can't understand the problem.
If I had my way I'd insist that the A/c reg was printed on the back of the jacket as well but I am the first one to admit that this might be difficult to enforce.
I'm prepared to jump through as many hoops as are deemed necessary to avoid compromising airside security.
Happy and safe flying
Cusco
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Norwich - no not yet OR this ridiculous rule is thankfully not being enforced. As soon as it is enforced it will be one less destination for me. My wee aeroplane is so small that I have no storage for a yellow jacket.
Fine for busy places and commercial traffic but for GA private pilots it is a p1ss take.
If I get knocked down by an airside vehicle then I really should have gotten out of the way faster.
Nanny state gone mad. One should be responsible for one's own actions.
sNr in rant mode
Fine for busy places and commercial traffic but for GA private pilots it is a p1ss take.
If I get knocked down by an airside vehicle then I really should have gotten out of the way faster.
Nanny state gone mad. One should be responsible for one's own actions.
sNr in rant mode
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For a long time I was told Liverpool insisted on yellow jackets, but when I flew in there it didn't seem to be a problem. At Dundee last summer they insisted that someone accompany us every time we went airside as we didn't have them. This got quite interesting as we were wandering between the flying school, tower, and our aircraft for ages, trying to check weather and sort out what to do (a warm front and basically un-flyable) so we more or less had a personal minder - despite the fact the airfield was practically deserted apart from us. Definitely bureaucracy gone mad.
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I think it was Humberside that started the current trend. I believe that they became rather notorious for escorting pilots from their aircraft and then refusing to escort them back again, offering to sell them a required vest for £16 
Regarding my preicament, I donned said jacket (work in construction, always got a couple in the boot of the car) when asked and haven't bothered since.
No one else seems to be complying with the order so I am waiting for the first arrest and public flogging of a deviant pilot by the vest police before I comply again.
I just want the freedom to make my own risk assessment regarding the situation, rest assured that as a cowardly pilot if I think that it will increase my life expectancy I will wear a dozen including the turban suggested elsewhere
Silly season in full swing I think
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Regarding my preicament, I donned said jacket (work in construction, always got a couple in the boot of the car) when asked and haven't bothered since.
No one else seems to be complying with the order so I am waiting for the first arrest and public flogging of a deviant pilot by the vest police before I comply again.
I just want the freedom to make my own risk assessment regarding the situation, rest assured that as a cowardly pilot if I think that it will increase my life expectancy I will wear a dozen including the turban suggested elsewhere
Silly season in full swing I think
B
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Southend get very tetchy about non high-vis bib wearers!
A very strange tradition I think.
If you are in a position to be airside on an airfield (Obviously not somewhere like Gatwick) you should be in a position to be sensible and aware enough to take responsability for yourself.
After all, we don't ask pedestrians to wear high-vis bibs to enable cars and trucks to see them more easily do we?
Is this the next step? Is the stupidity going to overflow into all walks of life and industries??
A very strange tradition I think.
If you are in a position to be airside on an airfield (Obviously not somewhere like Gatwick) you should be in a position to be sensible and aware enough to take responsability for yourself.
After all, we don't ask pedestrians to wear high-vis bibs to enable cars and trucks to see them more easily do we?
Is this the next step? Is the stupidity going to overflow into all walks of life and industries??
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I do not have a problem with this and I do not see all the fuss when fellow Private Pilots get edgy about simply wearing a yellow jacket????
Obviously I agree that enforcing such a rule at Joe Bloggs grass strip is OTT but for airports like Liverpool, Humberside and Exeter where there is larger aircraft moving about the apron, then that is a different ball game. Especially if you are walking between Aircraft and Terminal for example then that could involve a long walk then I feel that is necessary.
When we operate into airports with commercial traffic, other staff/pilots wear them so what makes us exempt from that rule. With jet engines starting up and lorries etc etc moving about as well as passengers you need to be able to be seen and distinguished from the normal travelling public who might be walking to or from the terminal!
At the bigger airports that we operate in and out of, it makes sense doesn't it????
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Obviously I agree that enforcing such a rule at Joe Bloggs grass strip is OTT but for airports like Liverpool, Humberside and Exeter where there is larger aircraft moving about the apron, then that is a different ball game. Especially if you are walking between Aircraft and Terminal for example then that could involve a long walk then I feel that is necessary.
When we operate into airports with commercial traffic, other staff/pilots wear them so what makes us exempt from that rule. With jet engines starting up and lorries etc etc moving about as well as passengers you need to be able to be seen and distinguished from the normal travelling public who might be walking to or from the terminal!
At the bigger airports that we operate in and out of, it makes sense doesn't it????
MG
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It strikes me a good rule of thumb is - if the airfield / airport has ATC then they will probably require them - if it's FISO or A/G then probably not.
Only a rule of thumb as I say - but probably very close to the mark (Apart from Gamston - but they've just got delusions of grandeur )
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Only a rule of thumb as I say - but probably very close to the mark (Apart from Gamston - but they've just got delusions of grandeur
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Maybe I'll start wearing my offshore overalls when I go flying. These are eye searing orange to make it easier to spot you if you fall in the oggin. Should suit the purpose. If anybody asks me to wear a vest as well they should have their eyes tested.
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I think that a hi-vis when airside is an excellent idea ...
Even at small GA airfields where you could be pre-flighting an aircraft very close to taxiing ones, it is an essential piece of kit, much like sunglasses, fuel strainers, checklists etc etc
Even at small GA airfields where you could be pre-flighting an aircraft very close to taxiing ones, it is an essential piece of kit, much like sunglasses, fuel strainers, checklists etc etc
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Out of interest, does anyone know who started the rot of this UTTER BLOODY NONSENSE of aircrew being expected to wear council road diggers' coats at aerodromes? I spent 25 years in 'tone-down' operations and no-one was ever hit or injured by even the most careless airside driver. So what has changed? Perhaps it's a cop-out by cheapskate operators who just employ any old half-wit to drive a baggage truck without adequate training?
Let's have a campaign of actively boycotting places like Robin Hood International which insist on this pointless bureaucracy!!
Let's have a campaign of actively boycotting places like Robin Hood International which insist on this pointless bureaucracy!!
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Aha - yet again I find myself agreeing entirely with BEagle.
This is CYA at its worst.
I wear a parachute, helmet gloves and a flight suit when I fly because I feel that they will enhance my personal safety. (Actually not too sure about the parachute, seems a bit complicated!)
On the ground I remain as alert as possible.
I do not honestly believe that a reflective jacket is going to help one wee bit, as I alluded to earlier, if the moron behind the wheel of an airside vehicle can not be trusted to see me sans-jacket, then best I make sure I see him and take avoiding action.
If he can't see me without a jacket then how do we know that he will see me with a jacket?
Its all b@llocks.
sNr
This is CYA at its worst.
I wear a parachute, helmet gloves and a flight suit when I fly because I feel that they will enhance my personal safety. (Actually not too sure about the parachute, seems a bit complicated!)
On the ground I remain as alert as possible.
I do not honestly believe that a reflective jacket is going to help one wee bit, as I alluded to earlier, if the moron behind the wheel of an airside vehicle can not be trusted to see me sans-jacket, then best I make sure I see him and take avoiding action.
If he can't see me without a jacket then how do we know that he will see me with a jacket?
Its all b@llocks.
sNr
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The purpose of the highlighter-yellow vest is to make APPROPRIATE people CONSPICUOUS. Thus it was easy to identify Incident Commanders, Marshallers or Security Personnel from amongst everyone else at the aerodrome. But some idiot in the H&S nanny world couldn't understand that as a basic principle and thought that they were some sort of airside safety armour. So now everyone is supposed to wear the damn things and it's hard trying to pick out CRUCIAL personnel when you need them. The yellow bib is being used ENTIRELY INCORRECTLY by most aerodrome operators; what is needed is some common sense to be re-applied to this subject!