Professionalism and "inshaa allah" or what ever...
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Professionalism and "inshaa allah" or what ever...
Yesterday I heard a Kenya flight inbound NBO give his estimates and end with "inshaa Allah".
I believe in courtesies - e. g. say hello or bye in the local language. But Allah or whatever God has nothing to do with FMCs or the way we work dem. Unfortunately I hear d above more and more often recently.
To me it is sheer hypocrisy on behalf of the highly religious crew and a waste of airtime. And a disgrace to all us profi pilots...
I guess ICAO should take an example from the "head scarf ban" in France.
Any comments?
I believe in courtesies - e. g. say hello or bye in the local language. But Allah or whatever God has nothing to do with FMCs or the way we work dem. Unfortunately I hear d above more and more often recently.
To me it is sheer hypocrisy on behalf of the highly religious crew and a waste of airtime. And a disgrace to all us profi pilots...
I guess ICAO should take an example from the "head scarf ban" in France.
Any comments?
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Oh Blimey!
It's just a pleasantry my dear chap.
Perhaps we should ban the use of the word 'goodbye' while we're at it. ('God be with you' in case you aren't sure of where it came from.)
It's just a pleasantry my dear chap.
Perhaps we should ban the use of the word 'goodbye' while we're at it. ('God be with you' in case you aren't sure of where it came from.)
The R/T airways are already congested enough, so we should stick to the standard phraseology. This discipline also removes any unwanted transmission being misinterpreted or mistaken by others as an ATC instruction.
Perhaps with a future data link system the boffins could provide a ‘smiley’ selection to accompany our messages, this might replace some of the lost intonation of a spoken message and convey the appropriate greeting.
cleared direct ... OK
Perhaps with a future data link system the boffins could provide a ‘smiley’ selection to accompany our messages, this might replace some of the lost intonation of a spoken message and convey the appropriate greeting.
cleared direct ... OK
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Swish266:- I'm afraid that so far you are in a minority of one. Rads, abb911 and our royal member probably speak for most of us. Intollerance of any sort has no place in our profession (or in other words, our profession doesn't really have a place for racist and religous bigots). Maybe a different vocation like envelope stuffing for the BNP might be a more suitable occupation?
Anyway, I think it's quite amusing...
Vive la differance!
Tot Ziens.
Anyway, I think it's quite amusing...
Vive la differance!
Tot Ziens.
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maintain 3000ft 
and hold 
greeting 
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hi swish,
i do agree with the concept totally that radio procedure should be limited to the known standard phraseology but u being frm zanzi'bar would know more about it thn any of us..its all in good spirits.
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let the man who has not been guilty of transmiting in non- standard phraseology come fwd... ur guess is as good as mine who came fwd...inshallah one day u will understand he he
regards
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i do agree with the concept totally that radio procedure should be limited to the known standard phraseology but u being frm zanzi'bar would know more about it thn any of us..its all in good spirits.
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let the man who has not been guilty of transmiting in non- standard phraseology come fwd... ur guess is as good as mine who came fwd...inshallah one day u will understand he he
regards
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As a foreigner living on Switzerland's doorstep sir, one might be reluctant to accept that this postings is any more than your average Swiss superiority complex reaction, or Xenophobia as is being perfected in your (I presume) homeland...
Pathetic!
Pathetic!
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isn't it enough we have to cope with crying babies, lost bags, rapacious air taxes, wx, atc holds etc. without having to get God to give "permission to approach"?
all the same I bet some shamrock capts added "with the help o' god" to their PAs from time to time
all the same I bet some shamrock capts added "with the help o' god" to their PAs from time to time
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If you want to see "professionalism" from some these guys, wait until you have one up front that wraps the "worry beads" around the gear lever.
On requesting the reason, was told it will make sure the gear will extend, on damand.
Thats dinkum.
On requesting the reason, was told it will make sure the gear will extend, on damand.
Thats dinkum.
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Forget the worry beads, In fine Australian Spirit I like to hang a nice large set of Fluffy Dice, not on the Gear lever, but on the standby compass, so they hang right in the middle of the front windscreens. Beaudiful Mate!
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If you've ever travelled with Saudia (Saudi Arabian Airlines), you get all, all those things in the one flight!
They do things rather differently than one normally expects!
And, I don't plan to travel with them ever again.
Seems their 'Inshala' and 'worry beads' didn't work real well in KL last year when they taxiied one of their B747-300s off the taxiway into a ditch! - no brakes - even though the -300 has three sources of brake pressure, not to mention reverse thrust!
(And Yes, I have read the full accident report!)
I even watched them stripping the airframe each time I taxied past, in the months after the accident.
Cheers
They do things rather differently than one normally expects!
And, I don't plan to travel with them ever again.
Seems their 'Inshala' and 'worry beads' didn't work real well in KL last year when they taxiied one of their B747-300s off the taxiway into a ditch! - no brakes - even though the -300 has three sources of brake pressure, not to mention reverse thrust!
(And Yes, I have read the full accident report!)
I even watched them stripping the airframe each time I taxied past, in the months after the accident.
Cheers
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You should probably just be greatfull that they are speaking a "foreign" language called English in the first place.
Now, if they were quoting a passage from the Koran/Bible/whatever, then I'd agree with you, but surely, we can show a little humanity on the airwaves.
It's only a small part of the world where there is a common tongue in regular use. God knows we need to understand our neighbours now, more than ever!
Now, if they were quoting a passage from the Koran/Bible/whatever, then I'd agree with you, but surely, we can show a little humanity on the airwaves.
It's only a small part of the world where there is a common tongue in regular use. God knows we need to understand our neighbours now, more than ever!
For true tedium, there's nothing to beat the "Errr, Dumbtown Center, err, this is Urrrmurrrikannnn 123 checkin' in at, err, three five oh. Anyone got a ride report......" followed by 5 minutes of "Well, yeah, we, errr, had some light chop some ways back but it's lookin' OK right now", "Err, thank you, Sir and have a good one....."
Or the babble on 123.45 "Hey, anyone know how the Dodgers game went........" Heard that cr@p going on on enight until a True Brit came up with "Never mind your colonial rounders results, how went the Pooh Sticks contest yesterday?"
"*****at 09, FL 330, estimate ***** at 55, insh' Allah" is pretty harmless in comparison.
Still, I'm out of all that now!
Or the babble on 123.45 "Hey, anyone know how the Dodgers game went........" Heard that cr@p going on on enight until a True Brit came up with "Never mind your colonial rounders results, how went the Pooh Sticks contest yesterday?"
"*****at 09, FL 330, estimate ***** at 55, insh' Allah" is pretty harmless in comparison.
Still, I'm out of all that now!
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It would appear to be an innocuous sort of a request for other peoples opinion of an activity that is not in the book.
To be called racist and a bigot for this query would to my mind put Piltdown Man's level of intelligence and social development just about on a par with his nom de plume.
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To be called racist and a bigot for this query would to my mind put Piltdown Man's level of intelligence and social development just about on a par with his nom de plume.
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You said in your post:-"Seems their 'Inshala' and 'worry beads' didn't work real well in KL last year when they taxiied one of their B747-300s off the taxiway into a ditch! - no brakes - even though the -300 has three sources of brake pressure, not to mention reverse thrust!"
The accident was not the fault of Flight Crew, there were none on board. It was an accident caused by maintenance staff not following procedures. Don't single out Saudia because of this, I have seen a very interesing set of pictures of a Continental MD8? embedded into an airport terminal after an apparently similar c*ck up.
I think that posts like yours knocking Saudia and other "non-Western" airlines betray a streak of racist ignorance. I have been a training captain in a Middle Eastern airline for 20+ years, and I can assure you that their professionalism is as good as any, and better than most. Oh, and I'm a Brit......
You said in your post:-"Seems their 'Inshala' and 'worry beads' didn't work real well in KL last year when they taxiied one of their B747-300s off the taxiway into a ditch! - no brakes - even though the -300 has three sources of brake pressure, not to mention reverse thrust!"
The accident was not the fault of Flight Crew, there were none on board. It was an accident caused by maintenance staff not following procedures. Don't single out Saudia because of this, I have seen a very interesing set of pictures of a Continental MD8? embedded into an airport terminal after an apparently similar c*ck up.
I think that posts like yours knocking Saudia and other "non-Western" airlines betray a streak of racist ignorance. I have been a training captain in a Middle Eastern airline for 20+ years, and I can assure you that their professionalism is as good as any, and better than most. Oh, and I'm a Brit......