Canada To Buy Up To 16 x P-8A
... we are committed to delivering 100% Industrial and Technical Benefits that will significantly grow Canada’s aerospace and defense industry.”
PS We have a "defence" industry in Canada, eh?
What the "Canada’s aerospace and defense industry” refers to is Boeing Canada doing deeper maintenance, perhaps even intermediate line servicing as probably the RCAF no longer have the capability.
Last edited by BBadanov; 28th Mar 2023 at 08:38. Reason: sp
If Canada were to obtain "up to 16 P-8As" - which I doubt, as they skimp on Defence spending - they would join the other 5-eyes Commonwealth countries: Australia 14 x P-8As, UK 9 x P-8As, and NZ 4 x P-8As. So it does make sense - numbers would be in doubt, probably 10?
I'm surprised the Kawasaki P-1 isn't getting a look-in in any of these competitions, to be honest, but with every other 5-Eyes ally operating/ordering it, it was perhaps the only logical choice for Canada also.
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Sounds more like the usual Canadian dithering, putting their toes in the water, sorta-committing....not-committing, see what we can get out of it with big-numbers, then finally decide to get a few....all while their planes fall out of the air.....
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In Germany the P-1 was briefly in discussion but it seems even the manuals weren't yet available in English and it was considered to high of a risk from an overall Program perspective (set up Maintenance/Training/Support/continued development and everthing around it) while being technically indeed quite interesting.
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sounds liek the Brits - start with a need, move it to an "aspiration", buy a few, defer or cancel some of those......................
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The US State Department has now notified Congress of the potential sale. If they buy the full 16 that would be one more that the current CP-140s
https://www.dsca.mil/press-media/maj...-p-8a-aircraft
WASHINGTON, June 27, 2023 - The State Department has made a determination approving a possible Foreign Military Sale to the Government of Canada of P-8A Aircraft and related equipment for an estimated cost of $5.9 billion. The Defense Security Cooperation Agency delivered the required certification notifying Congress of this possible sale today.
The Government of Canada has requested to buy up to sixteen (16) P-8A Patrol Aircraft (...)
The Government of Canada has requested to buy up to sixteen (16) P-8A Patrol Aircraft (...)
In Germany the P-1 was briefly in discussion but it seems even the manuals weren't yet available in English and it was considered to high of a risk from an overall Program perspective (set up Maintenance/Training/Support/continued development and everthing around it) while being technically indeed quite interesting.
That attitude is changing as Japanese defence contractors get more experience, but it seems to be a real thing
On the bright side, the NATO interoperability bit is helped by this choice.
Grats to the Canadian forces, let's hope they get the whole.
As to "will the whole lot get picked up?" ...
... I was hoping the USAF would get the whole lot of F-22's but that buy got cut substantially.
I was hoping the USAF would get the original 180 or so C-17's ... but that buy got cut.
The B-2 IIRC was originally going to be substantially more than the 20 ish that got purchased.
The F-15X numbers have shrunk at least once.
And so on ...
Grats to the Canadian forces, let's hope they get the whole.
As to "will the whole lot get picked up?" ...
... I was hoping the USAF would get the whole lot of F-22's but that buy got cut substantially.
I was hoping the USAF would get the original 180 or so C-17's ... but that buy got cut.
The B-2 IIRC was originally going to be substantially more than the 20 ish that got purchased.
The F-15X numbers have shrunk at least once.
And so on ...
On the bright side, the NATO interoperability bit is helped by this choice.
Grats to the Canadian forces, let's hope they get the whole.
As to "will the whole lot get picked up?" ...
I was hoping the USAF would get the original 180 or so C-17's ... but that buy got cut.
Grats to the Canadian forces, let's hope they get the whole.
As to "will the whole lot get picked up?" ...
I was hoping the USAF would get the original 180 or so C-17's ... but that buy got cut.
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There are many reasons that the Global MPA is unsuited for Canada starting with the requirement to carry external stores. Nevertheless I am sure that is what the RCAF will, eventually, after a painfully drawn out process get. This is going to be just like the Buffalo replacement. Late, dramatically over budget, and not fit for purpose....
Sadly Canada has learned nothing from the disastrous Cyclone helicopter procurement.
Sadly Canada has learned nothing from the disastrous Cyclone helicopter procurement.
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The RCAF order for the P-8A is logical and sensible. Poseidon operators include USN, RAAF, RNZAF and RAF - and some NATO allies.
Really - like JSF - the only show in town. The P-1 may be capable, if anyone can decipher the Japanese specs, but how interoperable?
Really - like JSF - the only show in town. The P-1 may be capable, if anyone can decipher the Japanese specs, but how interoperable?