Recommend an aircraft for me.
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Recommend an aircraft for me.
I'm hoping to find some guidance for some starting points for suitable planes for me to research. This started by planes for sale coming up on my feed for what I thought were reasonable prices.
Current wish list....
TIADave
Current wish list....
- Under $80,000
- Safe and reliable
- 4 seats and room for some luggage, not deal breaker, 2 seats with some space would ok
- More performance than not, I've raced most things, not saying I'm interested in racing it but something more responcive would be nice
- I'm likely to land on some less well maintained runways, maybe beaches
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Dave, I'm assuming this is not a wind up.
You wish list aircraft does not exist. Pick perhaps any two attributes.
Look at C172, C182, PA28.
A C182 will give you what you want for $300,000+
You wish list aircraft does not exist. Pick perhaps any two attributes.
Look at C172, C182, PA28.
A C182 will give you what you want for $300,000+
Closest I could come up with would be a J430/J230 but they're not exactly what I would call sporty. Or responsive.
You're going to have to spend a lot more than $80K to find something that ticks all those boxes. Or even most of them...
You're going to have to spend a lot more than $80K to find something that ticks all those boxes. Or even most of them...
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Thanks. Unfortunately, I'm not able to post pictures or link URL's yet, but on Facebook an add just came up for a Piper Archer 2, 1974, (Facebook group - Aircraft for sale Australia), they are asking 100k but some adds for different aircraft come up from time to time for 50&60k.
I'm not really sure what I'm looking at as far as my list goes and the planes are pretty old but look tidy and suitable, these types of adds are what sparked my interest.
I'm not really sure what I'm looking at as far as my list goes and the planes are pretty old but look tidy and suitable, these types of adds are what sparked my interest.
J230, quite a workhorse, excellent space and carrying capacity. Can handle grass and dirt but isn’t a stol machine. It’s good for around 120 knots which is “sporty” when compared to an old 172 or Archer. A 230 will beat a 150hp Archer III.
If you take off behind a 172 or Cherokee or similar in class D, the tower will give you them as traffic ahead, so that will give you a little shot of adrenaline that you’re flying something fast.
You can find them with Jabiru or Rotax engines, so no need to slag them off for an unreliable engine. Can be had for not a lot over AUD$120k, so streets ahead of anything euro ported as for the same new, you’d have to spend well over $200k and of course, Australian made.
If you take off behind a 172 or Cherokee or similar in class D, the tower will give you them as traffic ahead, so that will give you a little shot of adrenaline that you’re flying something fast.
You can find them with Jabiru or Rotax engines, so no need to slag them off for an unreliable engine. Can be had for not a lot over AUD$120k, so streets ahead of anything euro ported as for the same new, you’d have to spend well over $200k and of course, Australian made.
Only aircraft that would come close in the price ranges is an old Piper Archer or Cessna 182, even then you will be buying a 'renovators dream' or very high hours. Piper Warriors and Cessna 172 will almost be the same price due to demand for training aircraft. Even in the US used 4 place trainer styles are hard to come by, so the price is up there.
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The $80K price on most GA aircraft indicates the engine is time expired, "on condition" and prop close to overhaul.
Expect to need a second mortgage to pay for an engine and prop overhaul.
I've owned seven aircraft, seven boats and five sports cars over my long life, the rest of my earnings I spent foolishly.
I recommend a Bex Powder and a quiet lie down. Far cheaper than paying $80K plus for something which in reality is probably worth 10 cents per kg at Simms Metal.
Expect to need a second mortgage to pay for an engine and prop overhaul.
I've owned seven aircraft, seven boats and five sports cars over my long life, the rest of my earnings I spent foolishly.
I recommend a Bex Powder and a quiet lie down. Far cheaper than paying $80K plus for something which in reality is probably worth 10 cents per kg at Simms Metal.
Double the budget and buy an RV 7 or RV 8. Plus they're good for gentle aerobatics... if you've raced motorcycles this attribute should be top of your list.
The $80K price on most GA aircraft indicates the engine is time expired, "on condition" and prop close to overhaul.
If you're thinking 80k then your only real possibility for something that isn't going to cost you a LOT more in the long run (As others above have mentioned above) is to look for a Syndicate or try and see if you can organise one yourself. I'm guessing you're not planning flying this thing every single weekend so why would you want to own the whole thing by yourself? Get a few people together, buy something you all REALLY like and reap the benefits with the only real downsides being having to let people know when you're using it and coordinating things like maintenance schedules etc...
Agree re 230, nice to fly, IMO.
See, it’s like a supermarket…so many to choose from, how to decide which to pick .The one with the schmicky coloured packet/ paint job.?
I suspect you will have to look/ fly/ research all this yourself. To make a decision.. yourself.
Kissing yr cheque book goodbye will be a first of many decisions in aviation.
Lotsa luck !
I suspect you will have to look/ fly/ research all this yourself. To make a decision.. yourself.
Kissing yr cheque book goodbye will be a first of many decisions in aviation.
Lotsa luck !
Wait 5 years and when there is no more avgas and mogas is 5 bucks a litre, owners of piston aircraft will beg you to fly them away from where they are racking up standing costs. Meantime expect airport costs to increase, as supply reduces with flat land ripe for other development. As the fleet ages, accident rate is likely to increase, because cheap aircraft often attract inexperienced owners who can’t afford maintenance, so up go insurance premiums. Insurers may impose requirements which are costly or even impossible to comply with.
Used piston aircraft will soon be scrap value, so about the worst investment one could make, with big power boats a close second.
Used piston aircraft will soon be scrap value, so about the worst investment one could make, with big power boats a close second.
Last edited by Mach E Avelli; 26th May 2022 at 21:19.