BEagle,

The CAA reference number is nothing more than that. It can be on a PPL, a CPL/ATPL and an ATC Licence all at the same time.

There is no requirement for one to give up one's valid for life UK PPL when one obtains a JAA CPL or ATPL.

Your Statement that ;

"Only non-instructors on the CAA staff will have signed licence rating pages."

Is totally incorrect. There are what the CAA call "R" examiners and I know of at least one who is not and has never been an instructor of any sort.
Doing an admin job does not require instructor skills.

Regards,

DFC

But an 'R' examiner is also an 'R' instructor!

I didn't mean that the authorised signatory must be a Flight Instructor.

You don't surrender a PPL to the CAA, they will, if necessary, re-issue it in the new format with a new number.

My old 1968-era BoT-issued PPL was replaced by a new-style PPL with a new number; that was replaced by a R/BCPL and ultimately an ATPL. I could have chosen to have either the R/BCPL or ATPL re-issued, but not both. The 'lifetime' new-style UK PPL can be revalidated if the ATPL expires and I transfer the relevant ratings to it, but otherwise it is in suspended animation.

BEagle,

I really am surprised.

A person who obtains any licence or medical or approval such as examiner from the caa will be given a CAA reference number. That reference number stays with them for ever and links all their dealings with the caa. It is their "file" number within which records of medical, licences, ratings and approvals etc can be checked.

To say that a PPL becomes "suspended" when one gets a CPL or ATPL is utter tosh.

Please tell me where a microlight rating can be added to a JAR CPL or ATPL?

A perswon's PPL and CPL do not have the same licence number. They are separate independent licenses with their own numbers. What is common is the CAA reference number (explained above) which makes up part of the licence number.

I am surprised that you never noticed that PPLs begin UK/PP/ and CPLs begin UK/CP/ etc

You said;
But an 'R' examiner is also an 'R' instructor!

What?

Is this some imposter posing as BEagle?

There is no such thing as an 'R' instructor.

There are people authorised bu the CAA to sign off ratings in licenses who have never been any form of instructor. As I said I know of at least one and that one will probably never be an instructor. They are authorised to sign the page in your licence - a simple admin matter requiring an honest ability to do a simple admin task according to the standards document.

Once again I am so surprised at some of the comments that I think someone has managed to become a BEagle imposter!

Regards,

DFC

You do not need a Microlight Rating if you have a UK-issued JAR-FCL SEP Class Rating - it is included in the privileges of the SEP Class Rating once you have completed appropriate differences training. Check LASORS.

Except for the NPPL, you cannot run 2 UK-issued aeroplane licences concurrently. The 'senior' licence subsumes the 'junior' - all ratings are to be maintained on the senior.

I concede that many R examiners don't do much in the way of instruction - just make the simple task of talking on the wireless needlessly complicated. But many certainly do a fair bit of decent practical instruction.

BEagle,

There is a difference between not needing to have a rating and actually having one and keeping it valid.

As for R Examiners, one that I am thinking of would be illegal if they performed any form of flight instruction because they do not have and never had an instructor rating. They are not a ground instructor.

All they have is an approval from the CAA which authorises them to sign off ratings that are revalidated by experience.

Please reas the appropriate standards document which explains all this very clearly.

Regards,

DFC

I will ignore your rather puerile jibes and will merely suggest that you do some reading yourself - to bring yourself up to date.


Going back to the original thread, if someone turns up for a Rating revalidation, you are required by the CAA CFE to check that the licence, Medical and rating are all valid. Period. Ask him yourself if you need further convincing - I raised the point at a 'senior instructor's seminar' (their description, not mine!) and he agreed most emphatically that you are to do so.

Now I feel totally undervalued - I didn't get an invite :{
What, I wonder, is a Senior Instructor? (I s'pose if I have to ask then I'm not one) and what happened to Examiner's seminars?

HFD

Thread drift........
 

HFD
If it's any consolation - You're not "undervalued" by your students - quite the opposite. :ok:

Thanks for helping me through Tuesday and Saturday. :D


One who's older than the student???? :p