I tend to do a couple of "long briefs" throughout the course - one on navigation, one on circuits. That's because my school does not give me enough time to thoroughly brief these subjects and fly them in one "slot". But with most exercises, I find that I can brief thoroughly (to contain the contents of both the long brief and the pre-flight brief) and then fly in the allocated time, so that's what I do.

My school also runs ground-school courses, which are done from a set of third-party slides. The skills in presenting this kind of course are very similar to the way you do long briefs on the FIC. (I wonder if the fact that I work from someone else's slides means I'm plagerising???)

FFF
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IMO long'ish briefs are just about essential for: Stalling, spinning. circuits, Nav, applied IF, asymmetric theory, c/s props & fuel injection, aerobatic intro, tailwheel intro. Everything else is better from the books.

HFD

:hmm:

I came up from Africa moons ago to fly for a UK airline as a direct entry captain.
The crew room was amply staffed with ex RAF wallahs who, with little disrespect intended to them, seemed to adopt the attitude that since they had had to find out the hard way, so should I.:ugh: There were a couple of note worthy exceptions to this, men who, once they realized that I had never seen a snowflake or experienced airfarme icing did really try to help.
This Jinkster chap is obviously a man of ability. Somewhere he posted a photograph of himself which showed a highly developed cranium, indicative of the potential for serious mental capacity. He should be encouraged and not disparaged for asking a senible question on a Flight Instructor Forum.
For my part; I prepared brilliant long briefs, yonks ago, on all the flight and classroom sequences. The excercise of doing so helped me to polarise the mind as to what to teach (that's the name of the game-not so?) the student in order to ensure that he got the best benefit of my limited knowledge and to try to guarentee that, when he finally found his way into the air, he would not try to kill me when I was there at the same time. It's all plaigarism anyway and the only sort of aviaiton idol we really don't want to plaigarize is Douglas Bader, who, as we all know, ended up legless for a rather silly aeronautical mistake based primarily upon his own hubris rather than a sense of good airmanship!
Boom Boom!!:ooh:
By the bye, unless I am very much mistaken, which never happens; Jinkster lives at KGB HQ, Moscow. Not a man to irritate then!

Very tempted to do a long brief on navigation. To what depth do you go to?

Thinking about having a plog - drawing some lines on a map and filling it in giving a fictious wind.

Jinkster - yes, that's what I cover when I do a long brief on nav. Use real wind (then you can include in the brief how to read MetForm 214), and also, depending on time available (and whether the student's eyes are starting to glaze over), brief on use of 6-min or half way marks, 10-degree fan lines, etc, and how to use them.Are we talking about a long brief for your test, or a long brief after your test? If for your test, is your examiner giving you a choice??? If for real life, your school may have a view on these things once you start employment, but if not then just do what seems sensible given the time you have available with each student.

FFF
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FFF,

Test purposes. I understand he is giving me a choice - so I can prepare in advance.

I understand the pre-exercise (short brief) is at a moments notice!

Jinkster

For what it's worth - I did mine on basic aerodynamics.
I.e the forces involved, and an overview on how lift is created - and how the control surfaces as a result of this.

Good Luck Jinkster!

The difference between plagerism and research is that with plagerism, you copy from just one document, whereas with research you copy from two!

Thanks for the help!

Jinkster :)

Along with many other things in this time restricted enviroment of ours, the reason for doing the long brief well before flying the exercise has been lost. On the principle that a student only retains about 30% of a briefing (at best), the idea was that he went away, re read the brief or the prepared exercise notes and got more of the plot fixed in his mind. The short pre flight brief was a just a check on his retention, not new knowledge, and then detailing how the exercise was to flown under that days conditions.

I did my brief on the differences between aircraft and auto engines and the reasons why. I just thought it might make a change for the examiner, he seemed to find it interesting. Its the ability to 'brief' that was to be tested, I dont even think it has to be aviation orientated.
As far as plagerism goes we're not trying to reinvent the wheel here just pass on some tried and tested facts which can be adapted to suit you and/or the student,

relax folks it makes things so much more enjoyable.

T2

tunalic2,

Many thanks for your reply. That is the type of info I wanted to know. :)

Jinkster

Jinkster,
Pick the topic that scares you the most or you understand the least or you find the most difficult. By doing your own research on this topic will give you the most benefit as you will learn the most - the object of the course! I don't think you're trying to cheat and if you follow the above advice you will get the most benefit out of the long brief prep...:ok: I used spinning for the FIC, lots of good info on the net and in library books and the NDB hold for the IR/ME upgrade. Both subjects I was fairly clueless when I started and both I am a bit less clueless now!;) Best of luck!

Regards......

Many thanks, that sounds great as a practice brief. Many thanks for the help.

Jinkster:)

Already completed a long brief on 'The effects of partial pressure' and got to do one more - then choose the best for test.

:hmm:

I did basic gyro theory for my test. The examiner thought I was barking mad...

...So do I.

At least I understand it now, (well a bit anyway).

dear oh dear,

a guy comes on with a genuine question and look what happens.

disaster, ooh let's have a big argument because if you try really hard, you could make out that someone is taking the pis#.

But they're probably not are they.

Shame.

Jinkster, good luck with the test, when is it?

When I did mine (ok, it was 20 odd years ago) I was not told until I arrived for the test what the subject would be for the long brief & flight test so all subjects were prepared fully.

It was effects of controls so not too bad. I then had the choice of subject for a couple of short pre flight briefs following the long one (stalling & PFL).

We practiced (repeatedly) during the course using a whiteboard in preparation for the test & I still refer to my original notes - copied from the FI Instructors notes, copied from his F...... etc.

I found the initial (and first few renewals) stressful, so sought advice and hints as you have.

All the best.