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Send Clowns 14th July 2004 21:14


I am humbled by any pilot with only an hour on type who can describe in clear easily understood detail the exact attitudes, power settings and aircraft responses in all aspects of flight from Vso to Vne including stall/spin
Why on Earth would I ever want to attempt to do so, DFC? :confused: How could I even on the PA28, on which I have most hours? I suspect that my FI instructor would not be happy if he thought this was the way I was going to teach people, just by talking at them.

I would have a perfectly good aircraft in which to demonstrate these things, in which they experience the feel. In fact to teach someone to fly properly they should not need to know the attitude to expect except in the most general terms until they have experimented themselves and familiarised themselves. That is part of the point of the time they spend in the aircraft. Don't you teach them to select an attitude then "hold, check and adjust"?

Yes I would brief them on what to expect in general, but that can never put across the information you suggest I should. Bizarre idea. If I need to get it across in a briefing then I can be briefed myself.

Why are you teaching students in a completely type-specific way? They will gain a qualification to fly a light aircraft. Why not teach them to fly one, instead of say a Cessna 152? (Except in the details that must be type-specific such as speeds and power settings. These can of course be briefed).

And yes, I reckon having spun 4 different aircraft on scores of occasions I could recover from a spin in any light aircraft cleared for intentional spinning and make a good go of it in any not so cleared. If I could not then I would be annoyed with the people who taught me the spin recovery, a standard set of actions that should work in any aircraft certified to spin if it is in an erect spin. The idea that anyone with a lot of spinning experience needs cover to spin a new type is against the entire idea of spin-awareness training, that it should allow you to recover even in an aircraft you have never spun. Having had a student put me incipient in an aircraft not cleared to spin, I can see the value of the training.

P.S. 74Freight the accident was at Bournemouth (where I fly for Solent), at the now-defunct Airbourne (although the owner still runs courses on the airfield). The instructor had not had a checkout on the type, had never flown a PA28-140 before. I was checked out on each unfamiliar type before flying. Since the instructor who ran it when I joined left we are stricter about insisting on longer checkouts for pilots who have not flown a type. I am not advocating pilots flying unfamiliar aircraft without a check flight!


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