BEagle, you have a point. I just think we are going to make this hour dual flight so restrictive, we will find people resorting to the Prof. Check, which I agree is a much easier flight to carry out. Both in terms of content and flexibility. Blimey, this means more money for the likes of you and me. Second thoughts I'll keep quite!!!!!! I tend to push guys into the prof. check on the grounds of cost etc. Lots of people don't even realise it exists.

Rather than doing a proficiency check, I'd sooner people spent their money on another solo trip and then did their training trip with an instructor doing whatever they thought they needed to refresh. Hence the Examiner's fee for a reval. proficiency check is about the same as an hour's flying at our Club...

Remember - if you're an IMC instructor, an IF approach during the dual training flight (if it's 'out of phase' with the IMC revalidation year) will help the pilot to keep the cost of the next IMC rating revalidation flight down if he/she/thing is savvy about the dates.....

BEagle, I'm intrigued. At the two clubs I work, we charge solo rate plus a exam fee. Think its about £35 per hour for the exam fee. If the prof. check is 40 mins it works out cheaper than the dual flight of 1 hour at standard dual rates. Anyway have you written to Capt. Hills yet?

Ps Good idea about the IMC dual approach in the log book. I will use that one next time. Thanks.

[ 28 November 2001: Message edited by: CaptAirProx ]

We charge £65 per hour incl VAT for dual or solo flying in a Warrior - plus nothing more for the dual training flight or any other flight with an instructor so that there's no financial penalty in asking for an FI to come along if the pilot thinks that the weather might be a bit of a problem for his/her/thing's abilities. BUT we Examiners charge an additional flat £65 for a renewal or revalidation proficiency check to encourage people to keep their licences valid by experience/training flight rather than by proficiency check!

'We' are writing to the CAA's Head of General Aviation - not to Cap'n H.

All from a 'massiff' runway with loads of lights. I'm jealous. Been there once on a night training navex in a C172, of the Middle Wallop Club. Very professional and helpful ground crew. Highly recommended.

Here's another "Aye"

Just revalidated via the proficiency check route. Good to have independant experienced eyes watching your flying every couple of years. It must go some way to correcting bad habits that can develop. Said gentleman let me fly his Tiger Moth afterwards too. Absolutely Magic. :D :D

Although the discussion has moved on slightly, (I'm a bit late in reading the thread) a document that may be more readily available to many of us with all the relevant info on revals. etc. than the JAROPS verbiage, is GID 33. Latest edition is verson 5 issued 9 Nov 2001.

Under part 2 Revalidating an aircraft rating it states in BOLD type that to revalidate a SEP rating on experience there must be a SINGLE flight of at least one hour with a suitably qualified instructor. I have to agree that it does seem ridiculous that officially, the training flight could not be done to another aerodrome for a full stop landing (and refreshment) with all that could be gained from that sorie with an instructor. Much more informative overall than flying around for an hour, I'd have thought.

(The GID's can be downloaded from the CAA SRG web-site.)

...which is why we've asked for an intermediate landing at another aerodrome to be permitted as part of the 'flight' - so long as the total flight time is still at least 1 hour and the 2 sectors are flown consecutively with the same instructor on the same day.

If it's done as 2 flights how much of the hour in your log book will be airborne time? I guess not much more than half of it at best so we're chipping away at the value of the flight which must come from time in the air.

BEagle,

AYE!!

I try not to let JARs get in the way of common sense!! Difficult sometimes, though.

Beagle:

Did anything come of your approaches to allow 2 flights? (Or is 6 months too quick for a reply?)

Steve R

I'm still waiting for a reply.........