The Victa Airtourer uses pre-stall buffet as its stall warning 'system'. Or more correctly, for flaps 0 stall warning.

A horn is used when flaps are extended.

The buffet is quite noticable through the column in the clean configuration, less so with flaps out.

A lovely little a/c. Won the Royal Aero Club competition in the 1960s
for a new training a/c.

Aerobatic, reasonably roomy, good visibility. The 100 hp versions are a bit anaemic in their performance but a 150 or 160 hp version is certainly fun. They glide like a brick though.

Yes I will. Safety is the priority and older trainers don't always perform the same as they did on certification day, with a brand new aeroplane and an experienced test pilot in ideal conditions.
I've been teaching this stuff long enough not to expect that students with about four hours in their logbooks will handle the aeroplane in the same way at the stall as the test pilot did.
What's wrong with a bit of spare altitude? You have to give them enough room to make mistakes and recover from them; no point the instructor jumping onto the controls too early because they are about to ram the scenery.
I don't quite see how you can compare aerobatics with teaching ab-initio students stall recoveries.


[This message has been edited by Charlie Foxtrot India (edited 26 August 2000).]

Hear hear

Q. What's the difference between a student pilot with three solo hours and one with a PPL and some aerobatics training?

A. Surely you know the answer.

I have found that some students recover quicker from a power-off stall by letting go rather than trying to do "SOMETHING RIGHT BLOODY NOW BECAUSE IT'S STALLED AND I'M GOING TO DIE". So I introduce the recovery bit by bit.

If they want to go and practice this method of confidence-building on their own, that's OK with me as long as I know they've got the height. We can go to 4500' here in Class G airspace, so if they are nervous they can go to 4000' if they want to. There's nothing wrong with spare height for students, and I don't see a good reason to change the way we teach stalling.

Safe flying

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Confident, cocky, lazy, dead.

He who makes no mistakes makes nothing. A student should be allowed the time to make a few mistakes whilst under supervision. If that means allowing a little more altitude "for the wife and kids" then so be it. As already mentioned, the stall should not be taught as a standalone package but should build on other skills already taught, therefore the climb to a safe altitude can be used to good effect. Remembering that the job of a good instructor is to show the student as many pitfalls as possible as he may not live long enough to make them all himself