FIC Training course hours
Morning all.
I've seen references to 40 hours of the 125 hour FIC requirement being allowed as 'directed' or 'self' study. However, I can't find any mention of this in the regulations or guidance. Can anyone point me in the direction of any official documentation supporting this? It would also be interesting to know if there is any guidance on how much (if any) of the 125 hours could be done remotely, i.e. via Zoom. Not ideal mostly, granted, but useful to know... Many thanks in aniticpation WS |
I'm sure you can wade through the regulations as well as we all can, but I did the majority of my recent FI course via Zoom, and yes a significant amount by self study. It's certainly doable, was documented, and the CAA were fine with it.
Subsequently I've been delivering PPL exercises briefings on Zoom as well in the evenings or on bad weather days, to get the most out of time at the airfield when the weather's good. G |
Originally Posted by Genghis the Engineer
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I'm sure you can wade through the regulations as well as we all can, but I did the majority of my recent FI course via Zoom, and yes a significant amount by self study. It's certainly doable, was documented, and the CAA were fine with it.
Subsequently I've been delivering PPL exercises briefings on Zoom as well in the evenings or on bad weather days, to get the most out of time at the airfield when the weather's good. G |
I don't understand how all of the 125 hours of classroom briefings can be conducted remotely. For the course the knowledge is presumed; the ground briefing element is about how to teach the knowledge; engaging and responding to the student, how to effectively use the model and build with the student the board long and short briefs. For many this is not easy and requires a lot of instruction, practice and guidance, therefore the 125 hours. Ideally these hours should be conducted in a group environment with the others acting as the audience and providing feedback.
Anyone who has attended instructor renewing seminars cannot be unaware of how poorly too many instructors perform. |
My last instructor renewal seminar, conducted by the well regarded On-Track, was online as well. With tools like Zoom or Teams, you can speak to each other, present slides, have group discussions, and even use the equivalent of a whiteboard.
Some things are best done face to face, without a doubt, but not everything needs to be. That clear lesson is surely one of the few positives to come out of Covid. G |
I hear from the CAA that FI refresher seminars will no longer be permitted to be delivered on-line and that face-to-face seminars will henceforth become mandatory.
FE seminars will continue to be deliverable on-line though. |
On-Track are still advertising online Instructor seminars on their website up to June 2026.
G |
Yes, I know that they are. Whether or not their on-line seminars will be moved to person-to-person remains to be seen....
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A seminar’s one thing. Initial training, including that of FIs, is quite another.
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Also, within reason, it won't be up to the student, but their FIC instructor how it's constructed.
G |
Briefing PPL lessons to a student via zoom and you don’t even fly? You need them in the classroom. I hope you’re not charging them extra. I know instructors like that.
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Crikey, lay off Genghis, will you guys? :ooh: There are definitely times when a PPL would benefit from online tuition on bad weather days. As he said, it's not all online.
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Originally Posted by 3RDi
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Briefing PPL lessons to a student via zoom and you don’t even fly? You need them in the classroom. I hope you’re not charging them extra. I know instructors like that.
Or long briefs on bad weather days. Welcome to 2023. Meetings, university lectures, instructor seminars, conferences are all being done online - often very effectively. It can be done badly too, but so can face-to-face briefings. G |
Why shouldn't a professional charge for their time?
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We should, but it would be unreasonable to charge more for doing things online versus face to face.
G |
I guess the point of a pre-flight briefing is similar to the captain’s pre-take off brief. It’s all about immediacy. A pre-flight brief that is not immediately prior to the flight will be less effective. It’s all in the Teaching and Learning part of the FI course that seems to be so often skimmed over.
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It's partly about immediacy, it's also about covering the required material with adequate thoroughness. And a half hour brief on Zoom the night before doesn't preclude a five minute verbal reminder just before walking to the aircraft.
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The clue for the pre-fight brief is in the title - 'brief' - that should cover the weather, aircraft, notams etc and only a confirmatory recap on what the sortie will include.
A full instructional lesson can be given in person or remotely. The advantage of Genghis' online briefings is that there is no time pressure because of weather windows and aircraft availability - on the day of the flight the pre-flight brief is exactly that with little extra content other than the essentials. |
I wear long briefs myself, or long johns as they're called in the shops, especially at this time of year.
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I've seen references to 40 hours of the 125 hour FIC requirement being allowed as 'directed' or 'self' study. However, I can't find any mention of this in the regulations or guidance If the ATO wishes to conduct part of the course online, they would include that in the TM, whether the NAA accepts it is another matter. having conducted FIC training for a number of years I can't think of anything worse than trying to do the job online. I personally wouldn't do it, others might have different ideas. |
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