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172510 3rd Jan 2019 20:49

Instructing with PPL
 
FCL.205.A PPL(A) Privileges
(a) The privileges of the holder of a PPL(A) are to act without remuneration as PIC or copilot on aeroplanes or TMGs engaged in non-commercial operations.
(b) Notwithstanding the paragraph above, the holder of a PPL(A) with instructor or examiner privileges may receive remuneration for:
(1) the provision of flight instruction for the LAPL(A) or PPL(A);
(2) the conduct of skill tests and proficiency checks for these licences;
(3) the training, testing and checking for the ratings or certificates attached to this licence.

Does it mean that an instructor with a PPL (for instance a CPL holder with a class 2 medical) can instruct for any rating (MEP, IR-ME) a student who holds a PPL, but not a student who owns a CPL? What about integrated students? Can you instruct an integrated student for the MEP/IR ME provided that you don't teach the CPL part of the training?
Isn't it stupid to demand a class 1 certificate for a VFR training of a CPL student who obviously can fly the plane back in case of an issue, and a class 2 certificate for the IFR training of a PPL holder who might be in trouble to fly back the plane on his own if the weather is bad?

Whopity 4th Jan 2019 07:17


Does it mean that an instructor with a PPL (for instance a CPL holder with a class 2 medical) can instruct for any rating (MEP, IR-ME) a student who holds a PPL, but not a student who owns a CPL?
There appear to be different interpretations in different States. In the UK a PPL holder may teach any ratings that can be added to a PPL i.e. in (3) "this licence" refers to the FIs licence, not the person being trained. A PPL holder cannot train a person for a CPL and in an Integrated ATO all training is considered to be towards a CPL. MEP; IR etc can be trained by a FI holding a PPL on modular courses only.

BEagle 4th Jan 2019 07:27

After I brought the problem to their attention, EASA confirmed that the UK interpretation is the correct one.

Thus, for example, a suitably qualified PPL/FI may indeed provide MEP Class Rating instruction to a CPL holder.

Nurse2Pilot 6th Jan 2019 11:40

Interesting..... so there is no need for an instructor to have CPL? I think in a previous discussion, people said someone with PPL/FI can only teach PPL and thus needed his CPL to be able to teach more. If someone on a PPL can teach most stuff, why are flight schools looking for CPL pilots and not PPL to be trained to FI?

Whopity 6th Jan 2019 19:46

It has always been possible to instruct on a PPL, but for the JAA period such an instructor could not be remunerated. A FI needs CPL level knowledge and as the hours required to become a FI are less with a CPL it makes more sense to follow that route. A PPL FI can only teach PPL, but additionally, any rating they hold that can be added to a PPL and for which they are qualified to instruct. To teach for a CPL then the FI must have a CPL.

Nurse2Pilot 7th Jan 2019 01:05

The wording can really be confusing on this one! Thanks for clarifying!

NorthSouth 7th Jan 2019 13:32


Originally Posted by Whopity (Post 10353670)
A PPL FI can only teach PPL

Not the case I'm afraid. An FI with only a PPL - hence without CPL TK passes - is only permitted to teach LAPL students, not PPL students. Daft I know, and I don't understand the basis for it, but the CAA confirmed this to be the case recently in a case on which I have personal knowledge.

Whopity 7th Jan 2019 14:06


Not the case I'm afraid. An FI with only a PPL - hence without CPL TK passes - is only permitted to teach LAPL students
Actually, there are a number of PPL FIs without CPL knowledge who can teach the PPL. All those who were grandfathered in the past and since the implementation of EASA all those who held a FI in the past that has expired, but who did not have CPL level knowledge may now renew their FI and are permitted to teach the PPL on the basis of grandfather rights. It is only those who have acquired a FI since EASA implementation that are restricted to teaching the LAPL if they don't have CPL TK knowledge.


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