Solo flying...
It used to be common practice that after LST but before licence issue schools/clubs would rent aircraft for solo hire only. What at are the current rules, can’t find anything in Part-FCL. |
Thanks. As I thought, but the nice part would be a reference within Part-FCL.... (hens teeth I suspect!) |
Originally Posted by TangoAlphad
(Post 10217449)
Most examiners now issue the candidate a temporary rating form which allows them to exercise the privileges I believe, or from what I'd seen locally.
Prior to that (several years ago) club instructors would indeed sign out the 'student' for solo hire. |
It was my understanding that the form in question is for ratings only and not for the issue of licences, but I may be mistaken.
This was released by the UK CAA a few months ago on their website: The CAA confirms that a student pilot may be permitted to operate an aircraft as the sole occupant, provided the flight is authorised and supervised by the holder of a valid Flight Instructor Certificate, within the following criteria:
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Originally Posted by Duchess_Driver
(Post 10217447)
It used to be common practice that after LST but before licence issue schools/clubs would rent aircraft for solo hire only. What at are the current rules, can’t find anything in Part-FCL. G |
And there hangs the crux of my dilemma.
Once the test is passed, the student is technically no longer a student - the course is complete - and there is no other course that they could 'enrol' into that requires solo flying. @jawzyjawz - can you post the url for that piece of text. I'm happy with that for the purposes of what we are trying to achieve. Thanks all. DD |
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Originally Posted by Duchess_Driver
(Post 10217627)
And there hangs the crux of my dilemma.
Once the test is passed, the student is technically no longer a student - the course is complete - and there is no other course that they could 'enrol' into that requires solo flying. G |
I've been flying for 52 years and I'm still learning so I guess I'm still a student in a way.
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What at are the current rules, can’t find anything in Part-FCL. |
So long as a flight is for a valid reason (valid in the minds of the instructor and student, basically), and it's properly briefed, debriefed, and authorised - surely it's still a valid lesson? For what purpose would I send a 'licence holder' for training solo? Confidence building would be the only thing I could remotely consider. There would be no need for me as an FI to authorise that flight as he would be perfectly entitled to 'self authorise' either a flight school aircraft or his own. Most of the other stuff you mention falls under some form of differences/familiarisation/club rules and, as you state, are valid and recognised training with stated aims. I am either happy that he has completed the defined training/LOs to the standard within tolerances defined and then sign his logbook appropriately or it's a cuppa, rebrief and re-fly. Sometimes we live/work in environments where just because it doesn't immediately say you can't doesn't necessarily mean it doesn't say you can't - maybe the trail through definitions of terms in other documents. In order to satisfy CMMs, HTs or accountable managers we have to search deeper and check that somebody else hasn't found some nuance of terminology somewhere that COULD be interpreted as 'you can't'. In this instance, somebody spotted something and 'fessed up' for which you rightly point out says that you can to clarify a point. I agree, and normally am in the 'permissive' legislation stable. |
Personally I refuse to authorize a “Solo” flight for a person who has completed training but have not done the test. This is to encourage students to finish and not procrastinate getting the flight test done. |
With the CAA taking up to 7 weeks to issue a licence, (No such problem in the US or other EASA States) then there is a need for someone newly qualified to stay current so the issue has recently come up. Some bright spark from Gatwick declared that as the licence had been applied for, Bloggs was no longer a student and could not be authorised to fly solo however; there is no regulation to support such a claim. Until the licence is issued and signed by the holder they are not a licenced pilot and can be deemed a student. Similarly, a person who does not have a licence valid for a specific flight could also be deemed a student. The regulation does include a provision for an instructor to authorise student solo flight so it is ultimately at the discretion of and under the supervision of the instructor.
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Sometimes we live/work in environments where just because it doesn't immediately say you can't doesn't necessarily mean it doesn't say you can't "I want to know what it is; not what it isn't". |
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